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Crewman Daniels' Quarters (spoilers)

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With all of the improbable things that happened in the new movie - Kirk going from Cadet to Captain, Chekov on the bridge at 17, and other oddities of crew being right there, right then, so to speak, when originally they wouldn't have been - I've figured for quite some time that someone high up in Starfleet was insuring that this command crew came together, regardless of what it took to make it happen.

Before seeing the movie, I figured this was Spock Prime, who I thought had emerged at the same time as Nero, seen things get radically changed immediately, and then gone to Starfleet to try to prepare things as well as possible for the new reality. But as we now know, that's not it.

But I still detect monkey shines, and now I'm thinking that maybe someone or someones high up in Starfleet have access to everything that was in Crewman Daniels' quarters on Archer's Enterprise. Since his future was known by Archer to be destroyed anyway, there would be no real reason (that the 22nd century Admiralty would know about) to be concerned about timeline corruption, no reason to not use the information, and every reason to use it.

Of course, this would have some other implications - like that Nero and Spock would not be from what we've been calling the Prime continuity, but rather from the future resulting from the effects of the Temporal Cold War that we saw on Enterprise. This might please some people, since it would also possibly mean that Romulus Prime (the flaming RV planet of love ;)) is a-okay.

Thoughts?
 
Fascinating. I don't think this will ever make it on screen, but you could make a case that this is all part of the Temporal Cold War. I don't agree, but still a cool idea! :techman:
 
With all of the improbable things that happened in the new movie - Kirk going from Cadet to Captain, Chekov on the bridge at 17, and other oddities of crew being right there, right then, so to speak, when originally they wouldn't have been - I've figured for quite some time that someone high up in Starfleet was insuring that this command crew came together, regardless of what it took to make it happen.

Before seeing the movie, I figured this was Spock Prime, who I thought had emerged at the same time as Nero, seen things get radically changed immediately, and then gone to Starfleet to try to prepare things as well as possible for the new reality. But as we now know, that's not it.

But I still detect monkey shines, and now I'm thinking that maybe someone or someones high up in Starfleet have access to everything that was in Crewman Daniels' quarters on Archer's Enterprise. Since his future was known by Archer to be destroyed anyway, there would be no real reason (that the 22nd century Admiralty would know about) to be concerned about timeline corruption, no reason to not use the information, and every reason to use it.

Of course, this would have some other implications - like that Nero and Spock would not be from what we've been calling the Prime continuity, but rather from the future resulting from the effects of the Temporal Cold War that we saw on Enterprise. This might please some people, since it would also possibly mean that Romulus Prime (the flaming RV planet of love ;)) is a-okay.

Thoughts?

Surely Daniels no longer exists and all of his contacts with the NX Enterprise crew never happened in this timeline. I mean he's from like the 29th century or something right? It was Nero travelling back that fractured the timeline into a new universe, presumably in this one since the timeline has changed Daniels may never be born and the temporal cold war may never happen, hence the events in Enterprise will have changed as well because they will have no contact with future guy.
 
I don't get it. Kirk's a hero. possibly (at least to us Trekkies) the biggest, baddest, coolest, horniest hero of them all.

so why is it so hard to imagine him going from Cadet to Captain?
 
I don't get it. Kirk's a hero. possibly (at least to us Trekkies) the biggest, baddest, coolest, horniest hero of them all.

so why is it so hard to imagine him going from Cadet to Captain?
Robau told them to make him Captain. This was after he spent 25 years chasing Nero for ruining his favorite shirt by stabbing him.
 
Someone who graduates from an officers' academy is NOT a cadet.

Kirk spent 3 years going from "Cadet to Captain".

He was as much a cadet as Saavik was in TWOK, which is to say, he was a Lt.

And not to mention, Kirk is, you know, exceptional.

He's the Horatio Nelson of the Star Trek universe.

And Nelson? He had his first command at the age of 20!

Kirk is a seasoned vet by that standard.
 
Surely Daniels no longer exists and all of his contacts with the NX Enterprise crew never happened in this timeline. I mean he's from like the 29th century or something right? It was Nero travelling back that fractured the timeline into a new universe, presumably in this one since the timeline has changed Daniels may never be born and the temporal cold war may never happen, hence the events in Enterprise will have changed as well because they will have no contact with future guy.
I appreciate that you want to erase certain parts of Enterprise from your brain, but this isn't really the way it works. It would be more valid to say that you hope that the events we saw on Enterprise are from a different set of quantum probability outcomes than the set that is in the past of the movie we just saw.

Personally, I'd rather think Enterprise is part of the loop, though - and that everything canon still counts, you just have to not think linearly about it.
 
Someone who graduates from an officers' academy is NOT a cadet.

Kirk spent 3 years going from "Cadet to Captain".

He was as much a cadet as Saavik was in TWOK, which is to say, he was a Lt.

And not to mention, Kirk is, you know, exceptional.

He's the Horatio Nelson of the Star Trek universe.

And Nelson? He had his first command at the age of 20!

Kirk is a seasoned vet by that standard.

Starfleet doesn't operate like our military
 
I don't get it. Kirk's a hero. possibly (at least to us Trekkies) the biggest, baddest, coolest, horniest hero of them all.

so why is it so hard to imagine him going from Cadet to Captain?
Robau told them to make him Captain. This was after he spent 25 years chasing Nero for ruining his favorite shirt by stabbing him.


Robau and Pike both did. There was no turning them down. There never could be.
 
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