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Crew getting home during Unimatrix Zero?

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Why could Janeway not ask Korok to tractor Voyager through a transwarp conduit all the way to the border of the Alpha Quadrant. Voyager could have met with another deep range vessel and been escorted home. Or why not ask for one of the transwarp coils to carry them all the way home. I don't think the liberated drones would mind helping out the crew that helped them out. :borg:
 
There wasn't a good in-story reason. Obviously the writers weren't prepared for the crew to get home at the start of season 7 so they just hoped no one would see this plot conceit.

Unimatrix Zero was a great idea and could have been a nice arc that led to the crew returning home with the help of the UZ drones.
 
Why could Janeway not ask Korok to tractor Voyager through a transwarp conduit all the way to the border of the Alpha Quadrant. Voyager could have met with another deep range vessel and been escorted home. Or why not ask for one of the transwarp coils to carry them all the way home. I don't think the liberated drones would mind helping out the crew that helped them out. :borg:
Because Unimatrix Zero is an even worse thought out Borg ep. than "Decent".
 
I'm not particularly fond of UZ for many reasons, but I thought Korok and the ex-drones battling the Collective was a neat idea.
 
Unimatrix Zero is an even worse thought out Borg ep. than "Decent".
I disagree. VOY had very few ongoing threads but the idea of a Borg civil war was such a brilliant idea that could have been a potentially interesting arc to give some closure to the Borg saga that I couldn't help but love it.

I enjoyed "Descent" but it really didn't set up a proper civil war idea. It was more caught up in Lore and treating these Borg as an isolated rogue group with their own conflict on how best to pursue their newfound sense of self. The presentation of drones being able to regain their individuality and use the dream realm as a staging ground for a rebellion as they worked together from within to bring down the Collective was handled much better in how everything was set up.

I thought it was neat to have the liberated drones pretending to still be under the Queen's control as they went about sabotaging cubes and gaining control of the ships in order to mount a resistance--sort of sheeps in wolves' colthing. I also thought it was cool seeing Janeway, Tuvok and Torres as drones yet with their individualities intact. Something like this had been building for years and no doubt all the civilizations she encountered that had been devastated by the Borg played heavily into her decision to take this extreme course of action.
 
Unimatrix Zero is an even worse thought out Borg ep. than "Decent".
I disagree. VOY had very few ongoing threads but the idea of a Borg civil war was such a brilliant idea that could have been a potentially interesting arc to give some closure to the Borg saga that I couldn't help but love it.

I enjoyed "Descent" but it really didn't set up a proper civil war idea. It was more caught up in Lore and treating these Borg as an isolated rogue group with their own conflict on how best to pursue their newfound sense of self. The presentation of drones being able to regain their individuality and use the dream realm as a staging ground for a rebellion as they worked together from within to bring down the Collective was handled much better in how everything was set up.

I thought it was neat to have the liberated drones pretending to still be under the Queen's control as they went about sabotaging cubes and gaining control of the ships in order to mount a resistance--sort of sheeps in wolves' colthing. I also thought it was cool seeing Janeway, Tuvok and Torres as drones yet with their individualities intact. Something like this had been building for years and no doubt all the civilizations she encountered that had been devastated by the Borg played heavily into her decision to take this extreme course of action.
Sorry but I don't give a crap about the Borg civil war.
Unimatrix Zero was a terrible ep. trying to use concepts and ideas stolen from "The Matrix". The Matrix triology ended up being a huge disappointment and so did this. It's no wonder they didn't bother to follow it up and it was done.
 
I still wouldn't have minded if a Borg Civil War had been used to get the crew home for the last season. Too much to ask?
 
I used to do the same when I bicycled everywhere between drinking.

I've been viewing the later Dalek Episodes of Doctor who and it's nice how they carried on their civil war through out the remaining episodes to devious effect that the Daleks and their Borg Queen like figurehead "Davros" were played against one another... I mean it's all just not a coincidence?
 
Unimatrix Zero was a terrible ep. trying to use concepts and ideas stolen from "The Matrix".

The whole saga involving Unimatrix Zero may well be in your opinion, a terrible one, but have you proof of plagarism?
 
Unimatrix Zero was a terrible ep. trying to use concepts and ideas stolen from "The Matrix".
The whole saga involving Unimatrix Zero may well be in your opinion, a terrible one, but have you proof of plagarism?
Have you actually watched the ep.?

People corrupted by machines/technology and power them by plug into it live in a dream world made to represent a real one. These same people become aware they're slaves to technology and start and uprising to free themselves of it.

This doesn't sound fimliar to you?
How about the simliarities in "Distant Origin" and the original "Planet of the Apes"?
 
A thin line that litigious is called a garrotte.

But then the clown episode was more of a rip on the Matrix and it had to predate the Matrix, but the Bynars living inside the Enterprise D clocked the idea by a decade.

Then there's always the Red Dwarf Classic "Better than Life".

It's just a matter of plagiarists standing on the shoulders of over plagiarists all the way back to Tron and before, hells bells it smacks of Orpheus and eating the deads food after falling through a fairy ring.

Besides, the Church should sue the Wachoski Brothers big time.

Oh.

Anyone see Virtuality the other night?

Or what about Caprica?
 
Yes there may be similarities but that does not mean that it was "trying to use concepts and ideas stolen from "The Matrix"."
 
The Matrix opened on March 31st 1999. Unimatrix Zero first aired May 24 2000 and given the time it takes to produce one of these bastards, 6 months to a year, in all likely hood, Sussman, Braga or Menoski could have in theory walked straight out of some theatre screening the Matrix to sit behind their sturdy typewriters to begin writing Unimatrix Zero.

Not saying they did.

But it's dodgy.
 
The Matrix opened on March 31st 1999. Unimatrix Zero first aired May 24 2000 and given the time it takes to produce one of these bastards, 6 months to a year, in all likely hood, Sussman, Braga or Menoski could have in theory walked straight out of some theatre screening the Matrix to sit behind their sturdy typewriters to begin writing Unimatrix Zero.

Not saying they did.

But it's dodgy.

Never thought of it before but I have to admit it's a good possibility. Instead of choosing a pill they get a virus and voila - Borg Club Med!
 
How many new plots are there? Even Shakespeare used old material, and that was four hundred years ago. Who's to say that Unimatrix Zero wasn't on be books before The Matrix. It has to be a closer match than this to be plagiarism, or, believe me, somebody would have been sued.
 
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