So, nothing about making creationism "the official scientific theory and that people who defended Darwin's theories could actually get fined or even imprisoned for it", as you initially claimed.
Creationism Banned In U.K. Schools
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You were shocked and horrified that Freedom of Speech means just that? That you can say what you want without repercussion? Hell, protecting people who say unpopular opinions is pretty much the whole damn point of the First Amendment.
Aaaah, but they don't try to force Creationism into schools anymore since that has been rules religious and unscientific.
Now it's all about the Theory of CreatiIntelligent Designonism! Totally different, see?
That's me...I want to understand what you mean, but I am not sure I follow you...plus, not sure what the UK has to do with it...I live in the U.S...
Are you serious? Did you, y'know, read the thread title? In any case what you did was say Creationism was an ism just like all other ones and couldn't be proved by science. This is about as wrong as a sentence can be. Creationism is a religious construct and is as valid as Jainism, Hinduism, I could go on but you get my drift. So the only ism it is, is religious. Religion and science have nothing to do with each other in an educational setting. Ever.
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Yeah, it really sucks that Texas gets to make decisions in school curriculum, considering what they see as proper curriculum.
Well as I understand it and correct me If I'm wrong Rhubarbdedron, Germany has some quite strict laws when it comes to Nazi imagery and just about the only exception is for things like making a Film/TV show set in the Nazi Period. Even if the laws aren't as bad in other European countries most of the population is not that tolerant of them displays of the swastika, Nazi salute etc..
As for our American counsins is the First Ammendment of the US Bill of rights absolute? i.e it has no exceptions. So for example hypothically if you shouted fire in a cinema falesy and caused a panic would you be procted under the First Ammendment? And doesn't it deal more with what the Government can or can not do with regards to supressing speach?
As for our American counsins is the First Ammendment of the US Bill of rights absolute? i.e it has no exceptions. So for example hypothically if you shouted fire in a cinema falesy and caused a panic would you be procted under the First Ammendment? And doesn't it deal more with what the Government can or can not do with regards to supressing speach?
It's totally true that Biblical literalists are still trying to push their myths in science class all across the US, and generally with only sharply limited success in only certain states, but it's just not currently true anywhere in the US that creationism (or anything similar, by any other name) is "the official scientific theory and that people who defended Darwin's theories could actually get fined or even imprisoned for it." Not in any part of the country that I'm aware of, which is why I asked for a link.
The military tribunals seem more likely to be based on the ones that existed in World War II to try German saboteurs. They're similar in the sense that they're outside the normal legal norms for both the criminal justice system and our military courts (the two instances are the main examples I can think of in US history). Either way, because we have our own precedent that predates the British one, I'd imagine that's where we got the idea.
Don't be facetious. That has nothing to do with freedom of expression. You could shout that everyone in the cinema is an a**hole, but you'd probably be cited for disturbing the peace.
Yea, saw a special about it on tv awhile back. It's really shameful
. They want to show their brand of history... let alone their brand of science.
That's me...I want to understand what you mean, but I am not sure I follow you...plus, not sure what the UK has to do with it...I live in the U.S...
Are you serious? Did you, y'know, read the thread title? In any case what you did was say Creationism was an ism just like all other ones and couldn't be proved by science. This is about as wrong as a sentence can be. Creationism is a religious construct and is as valid as Jainism, Hinduism, I could go on but you get my drift. So the only ism it is, is religious. Religion and science have nothing to do with each other in an educational setting. Ever.
Oooo-weeeeeee are you reading me wrong...please let me try again, more simply...in NO way am I saying ANY religious beliefs are wrong...NO way...I am simply saying that, as of today, none of the ideas about where we started from can be proven BY SCIENTIFIC METHOD (emphasis, NOT anger.
. )I am also saying that NO reasonable idea should EVER be thrown out of a debate or discussion just because someone does not like it or believe it...
...THAT is all, and I apologize for being unclear...I can be a little wordy...
^You're correct about German law concerning anything Nazi-ish, MacLeod. A Nazi salute is sufficient to get you jailed for 3 weeks (unless, as you correctly said, it's when making a film. It has to be an official one, though. If you just make a video clip for youtube you'll be brought to court.)
CorporealCaptain, the law thingy I was referring to was mentioned in that list of crazy US laws that I seem to be unable to find. As it looks atm it might have been just a sort of urban legend which is quite a relief.
I suppose there are any number of false "facts" on the internet about both our countries.
CorporealCaptain, the law thingy I was referring to was mentioned in that list of crazy US laws that I seem to be unable to find. As it looks atm it might have been just a sort of urban legend which is quite a relief.
I suppose there are any number of false "facts" on the internet about both our countries.
So are you are saying it's not an absolute right? And saying it does have some exceptions?
Creationism is not a "reasonable idea", it's a backwards "theory" to shoehorn a certain brand of Christianity into scientific theories...
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Yea, saw a special about it on tv awhile back. It's really shameful
I think what annoys me is that there's no reason for it. One can believe in an all powerful God, and also accept basic scientific precepts.
That's me...I want to understand what you mean, but I am not sure I follow you...plus, not sure what the UK has to do with it...I live in the U.S...
Rice, thank you a million times...now I understand what Deckard was assuming and upset about....I do not PERSONALLY subscribe to Creationism at all...never have...all I was saying was to have informed debate, ideas need to be heard and dealt with properly...there is too much Science behind evolution to refute it, IMO...but as you know, many in the world DO believe in evolution...thank you again...I was not understanding the reaction to my posts...now I do...
I believe that their history in the US goes back, in some form or parlance, to Revolutionary days but certainly were applied in a major way during the Civil War.
Freedom without accountability is anarchy. Our "freedoms" are not a license to be a jerk. But if you really want to shout "fire" in a crowded cinema as a false alarm, you are free to do so. Just don't expect people to applaud your lack of judgment and wit.
Yet it's okay to teach Big Bang in public schools? The idea was proposed by a priest and violates physics, such as the conservation of energy and matter. As HIjol so deftly put it, "Let there by hydrogen." I'm not advocating some other model, just wondering why one particular "willed into existence" event is permitted and another is not.
Shouting "Fire" in a crowded cinema is not free speech, it is illegal and you can be arrested for it.
There is science to back up the Big Bang, science that can be observed and tested. There is no scientific evidence for gods, demons, aliens, ESP or any of that kind of crap.