Creating a 3D Model

Discussion in 'Fan Art' started by Handyman, Feb 7, 2019.

  1. Handyman

    Handyman Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I have created several, non canon ships (see my PAG posts) via 3D software and I am now considering making actual models of them.
    Does anyone have any experience with this, suggestions on reputable printers and manufacturers and the potential pitfalls associated with it?
     
  2. Henoch

    Henoch Commodore Premium Member

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    You may want to check with AdmiralBuck, 1/350 scale Project: Endurance
     
  3. Matthew Raymond

    Matthew Raymond Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    What @AdmiralBuck is doing is very cool.

    Also, you might want to look into Pepakura. There's a program called "Pepakura Designer" that takes 3D models and creates paper templates that you can print out and assemble into a real-life paper version of that model. You can then impregnate the paper with resin and cover it in Bondo to smooth it out and carve details into it, and then paint them. A lot of people use this technique to make props and costume armor. (Alternatively, some people use Pepakura templates to cut out and paste together foam, but that's better for costumes than for a ship model, I suppose.)
     
  4. BK613

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    Don't know if he is still doing it (a lot of peeps have pulled back from publicly sharing their fan stuff) but if you are talking about 3D printing, @MadMan1701A might be the person to talk to. He's cranked out some awesome models in the last few years.
     
  5. Serin117

    Serin117 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Shapeways has various high detail plastics.
    All you'd have to do is ensure that your models were manifold(watertight).
     
  6. Handyman

    Handyman Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I settled on "JawsTec" for the moment.
    I did a search online for printers and of the small number that came up in Google, they were one.
    Being that I have no idea who they are or if they will honor my design autonomy, I took another design by another author that I downloaded from the internet and after modifying it some to create connecting devices on the 4 parts, sent it up for pricing and afterwards, ordered one unit last Monday.

    The shipping on the unit was noted at 3 to 5 business days and as of today (mail yet to come) it has not arrived and I have received no word of progress.

    The cost worked out to slightly less than $30 for a miniature starship approximately 130mm (5") long by 100mm (4") wide made from grey colored nylon.

    The trouble is:
    One of the parts was so small and delicate it resulted in warning notices,
    I don't know for certain if they can even make it (considering the small, delicate details),
    I don't know what the final miniature will dimension out to,
    I don't know what detail will show on the surfaces (considering the scale factors)

    I am awaiting the delivery hopefully today, and will comment further as the project progresses.
     
  7. Handyman

    Handyman Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I'm actually impressed with the size and relative detail for a model that was so quickly thrown together.
    You can see a hint of the panels and rings in the saucer and the impulse crystal housing came out well too.
    The finish is a rough texture rather than a smooth gloss but I think that works better for the finished texture anyway.

    I had to work down the parts connectors a bit with sandpaper as I made the tolerances a bit to tight for the size but the tiny, and I mean TINY connector parts held up to the abuse of the sanding and fitting astoundingly well.
    I will adjust the tolerances on the next model to make an easier fitting and also include a stand for it.

    The warp drive nauceals came to me with one detached from the warp nacelle pylon and the other barely hanging on.
    A little "Lock Tite" though and they're holding well.

    All in all I'm highly pleased with what I got for $26.00 USD
    I'm now excited to see one of my ships from print.

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  8. ashefivekay

    ashefivekay Commander Red Shirt

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    Ahh the itch to get my own 3D printer intensifies...

    She's looking great!
     
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  9. Michael

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    Wow, this does look really good! And 26 bucks definitely seems like a very fair price.
     
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  10. Handyman

    Handyman Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Ya... It turned out pretty cool for a boring, simple design.
    I'm working now on modifying my Akyazi now to run through the printing process next.
    I need to do it in parts so I build the individual connectors into the individual parts.
    Mine has a great deal more detail and is better scaled so it should turn out a little more impressive than the first one.
     
  11. Handyman

    Handyman Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Jeezz...
    I've spent like 6 hours working on making this model into snap together parts.

    One of the biggest challenges has been the single thickness surfaces that need to be doubled for production machining.
    My engineering pod has an exhaust port on the rear that's hollow.
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    To draw that was a snap but to build in that hollow feature I had to cut the pod in two pieces, then repair the cuts and then start adding in "thickness's" to the drawings, single thickness walls and then create a method to attach them back together short of glueing them.
    As shown the rear nozzle slips into the rear of the engineering pod.

    The first frustration I've run into with Hex is that you can't simply "cut" a model and seperate the two sections without going through a lot of redundant vertices, points and polies.
    Then there was the thickness tool...
    Hexagon isn't happy with the use of the "thickness" tool after you have holed or grouped the parts. You have to weld anything you've done that to in order to gain back use of a lot of the surface tools and that means no going back.
    That's a frustrating issue and major design flaw on the part of the techs but hey... It's free so I'm not gonna complain anymore.

    Then there was the snap together, peg and hole issue.
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    Again, unless you have welded everything you can't use the "fast Extrude" or "Boolean" feature and that's a drag as well.

    Fortunately however, the verticy operation makes the model semi-transparent so you can see exactly where you need to make additional vertices for the pegs and holes in the parts from the inside of the model.

    I'm now working on the warp drive pylons and embedding them into the top of the engineering pylons and the engineering pod.
    For that I have to work with the Boolean feature and then create some pegs.

    After that I'll put the impulse crystal housing together and then the warp drives and deflector shields.

    More as it progresses.
     
  12. Handyman

    Handyman Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I finally finished piecing her up.

    She now has 14 pieces that either snap or slip together and will come in 6", 12" and 16" lengths.
    There are more shots of her on my Dev-Art site.

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    I expect to have the first print in a week or so.
    I'll update the pics then.
     
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  13. Handyman

    Handyman Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    The Akitsu model is now shown on my website with additional pics.
    I'm still waiting for the first prototype to arrive and expect it by Monday next week.
    When the prototype arrives, I'll take additional pics of it and post them as well on the site.
     
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  14. Handyman

    Handyman Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    publiusr Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Tomake something that actually fits together--now that's castable.
     
  16. Atolm

    Atolm Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Hey that is some brilliant work mate!
     
  17. Handyman

    Handyman Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Thanks guys.
    The compliments make it all worth it.
    I reevaluated the theoretical ballance on the ship and redesigned the stand to sit further back.
    Probably ought to wait till the actual model arrives but it just seemed like something I needed to do.

    I'm now working on making the Arbiter in model form.
    Be pretty cool seeing both together.
     
  18. Handyman

    Handyman Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    The Arbiter is now in model form.
    There are more pics of the model on my website but here are a couple, the first from Iray. The balance from 3Delight.
    The saucer was enlarged to accomodate an additional deck and an additional torpedo tube added to the rear. The forward RCS thrusters were moved slightly forward. A new bridge design was added and the engineering pylons were shortened slightly and softened up some and the shield generator system added. The warp drive engine pylons were dropped in height slightly, the impulse crystal housing shortened and the warp engines completely redesigned.
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    The process took me maybe 6 hours I think.
    Less than the Akyazi anyway.

    Now I'm on to marketing the models and designing the Akula version.

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  19. ashefivekay

    ashefivekay Commander Red Shirt

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    Nice. I've been toying with the idea of a 3D printer for miniatures for our tabletop games. The itch to buy one has returned.

    Love how you've broken these out to be almost snap together. I always preferred those to the stinky glue models. ;)
     
  20. Handyman

    Handyman Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    They are all a snap together fit.
    Some of the post and hole parts have their posts beveled slightly so that they expand slightly as they slide into the holes before snapping back into their original position.
    Others have a tapered post that starts into the hole narrow but tapers wider as it descends to lock in via friction.

    I'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of the first prototype Akyazi to see how well the theoretical design works on these smaller parts.

    I too have been toying with the concept of making miniatures for gaming though I don't game at all.