Cracking the code

[Valenti]

There is a mystery about TOS that has never been addressed - i.e. why do all aliens speak English, why is Mr. Spock serving on a Federation ship? How can Humanity ever trust a race of telepathic aliens that all look like Satan? If this was the first time a ship has ventured where no man has gone before, how is Humanity so well established in the universe with star bases and colonies everywhere. Some of these things don't add up.
IMO.
Also a new series has to have a different and more specific goal than the main intro mission statement in TOS as an ongoing story and series thematic arc. The premise needs revamping into something other that to bodly go where no man has gone before. IMO.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

English would appear to be Federation Standard so would be a requirement for all species serving in Starfleet to have it as a second language, for new races encountered the Universal Translator deciphers their language and translates it to English. Mr Spock serves onboard a Federation ship because it's a starship of the United Federation of Planets, of which Vulcan is a founding member as such all of their citizens have full access to enter Starfleet Academy. Vulcans are telepathic but are also highly intelligent and civilised, no doubt with cultural beliefs and doctrines on appropriate behaviour around non-Vulcans, forbidding the use of unauthorised mental scans or manipulation (how can we trust non-telepaths not to use effective patter and subversion not to manipulate and take control of our actions?). Only part of their mission was deep space exploration, part was also policing and security of areas already colonised and established on the frontier of Federation space--as more colonies are established and space stations built the frontier gets pushed further and further out by starships and brave settlers looking to make their home on an alien world.

 

[Valenti]

Maybe Spock was the only character in Star Trek.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Soooooooo are McCoy, Data, Kira, Torres, et al just figments of the collective imagination?

 

[Valenti]

I'd like to think so, but they all had different creators, didn't they? Except for Data who was Questor after all.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Ok, I'm lost.

 

[fireproof78]

How can Humanity ever trust a race of telepathic aliens that all look like Satan?

That's racist.

 

[Tenacity]

why is Mr. Spock serving on a Federation ship?

Spock was half Human, probably why he was allowed to serve on a ship full of Humans, instead of a ship full of Vulcans.

If this was the first time a ship has ventured where no man has gone before, how is Humanity so well established in the universe with star bases and colonies everywhere

How Humans became so well established in only a single century admittedly is a bit of a mystery.

Also a new series has to have a different and more specific goal than the main intro mission statement in TOS as an ongoing story and series thematic arc

The current new series is different than what came before, choosing to focus on a young woman who apparently thinks that she only has to follow orders and protocols when she personally agrees with them.

Starfleet therefor makes her a Commander, somewhat surprisingly she isn't made Captain of the flagship.

Maybe Spock was the only character in Star Trek.

He was one of the few characters with character.

That's racist.

Today, isn't everything?

 

[Valenti]

Maybe the Federation is made up of alien or more advanced Humans or highly advanced aliens posing as Humans. Just a thought.

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe the Federation is made up of alien or more advanced Humans or highly advanced aliens posing as Humans. Just a thought.

Undermines the whole point of Star Trek.

 

[Valenti]

Why?

 

[fireproof78]

Why?

The point of Star Trek is that humanity has an optimistic future, one in which they move past contemporary problems (originally, racism as demonstrated by the Bridge crew, and a united Earth) to explore and take on bigger adventures.

Aliens posing as humans is basically a riff on the "ancient alien" theorem and takes away the idea that humans could do it on their own.

 

[Valenti]

We've met Humans that didn't come from Earth. They didn't call themselves Humans but they certainly looked like and were for all intents and purposes Human or Human like - even the Klingons. I know they were like the Vulcans and the Andorians et al and were Humanoid but I just don't buy it.

 

[fireproof78]

We've met Humans that didn't come from Earth. They didn't call themselves Humans but they certainly looked like and were for all intents and purposes Human or Human like - even the Klingons. I know they were like the Vulcans and the Andorians et al and were Humanoid but I just don't buy it.

We already know in Trek lore that there was a proto-humanoid race that seeded the galaxy, so there would be common elements, including humans not from Earth.

Also, you know, budget constraints. Those are a factor too.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

We've met Humans that didn't come from Earth. They didn't call themselves Humans but they certainly looked like and were for all intents and purposes Human or Human like - even the Klingons. I know they were like the Vulcans and the Andorians et al and were Humanoid but I just don't buy it.

The only humans from another world that didn't call themselves human were ENT's Novans, all the other colonists that can trace their lineage back to Earth called themselves human. Unless you have any other examples.

 

[Tenacity]

all the other colonists that can trace their lineage back to Earth called themselves human

Now there are humanoids who didn't come from Earth, same general body shape as us. But they're not Humans. Despite the usage of the term "vulcanoid, " Vulcans are an example of a humanoid.

The point of Star Trek is that humanity has an optimistic future, one in which they move past contemporary problems

Some, not all.

And optimism was hardly Star Trek's "point."

originally, racism as demonstrated by the Bridge crew ...

And originally that (and simply surviving to have a future) was about it, sexism was still firmly in place, as were other old problems, and the Federation had it's share of non-optimistic political evils.

*cough* treaty ports *cough*

 

[fireproof78]

Some, not all.

And optimism was hardly Star Trek's "point."

Should have said "one of the points." Again, the idea that humanity survived and worked together was a highlight.

 

[Valenti]

The only humans from another world that didn't call themselves human were ENT's Novans, all the other colonists that can trace their lineage back to Earth called themselves human. Unless you have any other examples.

Well in TOS, The Bread and Circus planet, Eminiar 7 and Vendikkar, The Capellans, Piece of the Action, The Omega Glory, Return of the Archons, The Mark of Gideon. There were plenty of 'Humans' or were they all Humanoid including Christ in BaC?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Maybe the Federation is made up of alien or more advanced Humans or highly advanced aliens posing as Humans. Just a thought.

Are you watching a different version of Star Trek than the rest of us?

Well in TOS, The Bread and Circus planet, Eminiar 7 and Vendikkar, The Capellans, Piece of the Action, The Omega Glory, Return of the Archons, The Mark of Gideon. There were plenty of 'Humans' or were they all Humanoid including Christ in BaC?

All Humanoids. If they didn't originate on Earth, they aren't humans.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Well in TOS, The Bread and Circus planet, Eminiar 7 and Vendikkar, The Capellans, Piece of the Action, The Omega Glory, Return of the Archons, The Mark of Gideon. There were plenty of 'Humans' or were they all Humanoid including Christ in BaC?

They were all aliens that looked human. Who knows what's going on either inside them or even under their clothing.