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Why is the cover of Unworthy similiar to Full Circle and why does Vanguard always put the ship on it's cover? Why don't we ever see characters?

Shouldn't covers represent what the story's about? Why nothing original just the same blah cover all the time?
 
Why is the cover of Unworthy similiar to Full Circle and why does Vanguard always put the ship on it's cover? Why don't we ever see characters?

Shouldn't covers represent what the story's about? Why nothing original just the same blah cover all the time?
Because the professionals responsible for the covers just aren't as smart as you are.
 
Funny, I was hoping we'd get to see Deep Space 9 or the Defiant on a DS9 novel cover, rather than a character as most recent DS9 novels have.
 
Why don't we ever see characters?

Shouldn't covers represent what the story's about?

Although the saying is, "You can't judge a book by its cover", people often do. The purpose of a book cover, from a markerting standpoint, is to catch the browser's attention. Research has shown if you can make a person stop to examine a cover more closely, then they are more likely to pick it up, turn it over and read the blurb. If they have the book in their hand long enough, you are more likely to make a sale. (There are actual time & motions studies on this.)

With ST, you're trying to appeal to any number of the wide variety of ST fans and collecors, plus non-fanatical potential fans with a mild interest in ST. There are those who like and demand photo realistic covers (ie. that's why IDW often uses stills from the shows as chase covers, and why comics sold in bookshops often have magazine style covers). There are fans who want more artistic renderings of characters and guest aliens. There are tech-minded fans who want starships or battle scenes.

So Pocket offers a range. If a style of cover helps to sell lots of a particular book, then that style may be emulated in future books. For a long time in the 80s and 90s, Pocket came under fire from some fans for so many covers with "floating heads". Changing art styles, and the possibilities opened up by Photoshop etc, make the possibilities much wider today.

Consider though: if an artist paints a cover featuring Picard, and Patrick Stewart hates the painting, it must be redone. If an artist uses Photoshop and Patrick Stewart hates the image used (unlikely 'cos it's already likely to be an approved publicity still), it can easily be switched in Photoshop; not as time-consuming or costly. If a starship or planet scene (or Calhoun's ubiquitous sword) is used, it only has to suit Pocket and CBS.

In these uncertain economic times, starship covers (sometimes even recycled from past "Ship of the Line" ST calendars) are very practical, but still appeal to a large group of book buyers.
 
Indeed, never underestimate the utility of some good stock art. Back when I was commissioning the covers for the CONAN books, I made sure that I always had some "generic" CONAN paintings in inventory, just in case. Saved my butt on a couple of occasions.

And you'd be surprised how many bestselling sf/fantasy novels feature a piece of generic "space" or "dragon" art that an art director picked out of a catalog. (I used to recycle covers from foreign sf magazines--on the assumption that American readers had never seen the art before so it was "new" to them.)
 
In the end I really don't mind what they put on the covers of the trek books....as long as there are not mistakes with respect to the story. I totally understand the need to put something presentable out there for buyers.....but I used to hate it when information on the covers contradicted story information.

It doesn't happen much anymore....infact I can't remember the last time it happened, but if you go back to the 80s there were several covers that had movie era covers but FYM stories.

Been a while though.
 
It doesn't happen much anymore....infact I can't remember the last time it happened, but if you go back to the 80s there were several covers that had movie era covers but FYM stories.
Demons had McCoy and Spock in the maroon jackets on the cover, while the story was set during the five-year mission. The Better Man went the other direction; it was a movie-era story with the maroon jackets, while the cover artwork depicted the five-year mission uniforms. (Though, to be fair, with its flashbacks, the cover wasn't that inaccurate.)

Then there's Yesterday's Son, which has Spock wearing the movie turtleneck and jacket, only it's a blue jacket instead of maroon.
 
And you'd be surprised how many bestselling sf/fantasy novels feature a piece of generic "space" or "dragon" art that an art director picked out of a catalog.
I wouldn't be that surprised...

On that note, you may be interested this bar graph of fantasy cover elements...if you like swords and glowy magic, fantasy is the genre for you. ;)


I saw that chart--and will vouch for the fact that wolves on the covers definitely seem to sell books.
 
Are any of the characters in Vanguard ones we've seen on screen that could be put on the cover, or would models have to be used? If you can only use people that approximately look like the writers have been describing the characters, I'd rather just see the ships.
 
Very few Vanguard characters have been seen in canon. Dr M'Benga is the main one, and we've also seen Clark Terrell and Carol Marcus. But M'Benga's not going to be part of the series much longer (since he's due to transfer to the Enterprise soon), and the others are fairly minor characters, also much younger than when we see them in canon.
 
^ Thanks.

For instance- I don't mind the DS9PR actor Vaughn, not as crazy about Prynn... I had no idea who that was at first... and in Vanguard's case... I've liked the art that I've seen.
 
I've actually been pretty happy with most of the people they've used as models for the DS9R. I prefer picturing my fantasy cast, but they're a close second. I'm still hoping we get to see more of the book only characters from Titan.
 
It's also much more time consuming to draw people ... it's "easier" to take a starship, put it into some fancy background.

But I've noticed that the last two Voyager-covers lack inspiration. It's just a starship and a vancy background. Nothing's happening.
 
^The first four Voy-R books by Christie Golden featured Janeway, Seven, Chakotay (with Sekaya) and then Tom all on their own covers. A few with the ship on it shouldn't be a problem. Afterall, the ship itself is the constant of the series. At this point the only people left from the original Voyager mission other than lower-deck personnel are Tom Paris and Harry Kim. B'elanna is with Miral on their own, Janeway is dead, Chakotay and Seven are together but not on the ship, Tuvok is on Titan and the Doctor is on the Project Full Circle medical ship.

As for the ship just sitting there with a nice background... What do you want to see? Voyager is "flying" through space the majority of the time, not constantly in battle. I think the cover of FC, which zooms in on Voyager, is quite nice. I like how we get the 'birds eye view' of Voyager.
 
It's also much more time consuming to draw people ... it's "easier" to take a starship, put it into some fancy background.

I'm sure there are plenty of people over in the Trek Art forum who would aggressively disagree. Creating a plausible-looking digital model of a starship is extremely involved and time-consuming work. And even using a pre-existing model still requires careful positioning of the ship, working out the composition and lighting, refining the details -- not to mention creating that "fancy background" in the first place. Computers don't replace artistry, they're just another tool which an artist can use to create an image. It's still the artist who has to do the work.

If anything, it's probably more time-consuming to create the illusion of reality with a computer than by any other means. Computers resist realism. They want everything to be impossibly smooth and mathematically perfect and simply lit and devoid of texture and subtlety. It takes a lot of work to counter those tendencies. That's why cheap or rushed CGI always looks so bad.
 
^The first four Voy-R books by Christie Golden featured Janeway, Seven, Chakotay (with Sekaya) and then Tom all on their own covers. A few with the ship on it shouldn't be a problem. Afterall, the ship itself is the constant of the series. At this point the only people left from the original Voyager mission other than lower-deck personnel are Tom Paris and Harry Kim. B'elanna is with Miral on their own, Janeway is dead, Chakotay and Seven are together but not on the ship, Tuvok is on Titan and the Doctor is on the Project Full Circle medical ship.
So just because the characters are on different ships doesn't mean they can't be on covers together. They are still going to be playing a role in the series after all.

As long as the artwork is well done, I really don't care what is actually on it. I really like the Titan covers, but at the same time I like the Vanguard covers just as much. Although I wouldn't mind seeing some of the Vanguard character, but that's just because I want to see them, it has nothing to do with not liking the ships.
 
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