• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Court Martial - Did the Doctored Video Show Kirk Giving Finney the Finger?

For that matter, why an "ion pod" in the first place? Given the established capability of the Enterprise's sensors, why would a man have to climb into a pod attached to the outside of the ship to take sensor readings? (Yes, I know the question has been flogged to death.)

TOS tended to use the word 'pod' interchangeably with what we now call nacelles (although Kirk does use the term 'warp nacelle' in TOS at least once.) But dialogue in other episodes also states 'ion pods,' 'warp pods,' etc. The writer might have intended the 'ion pod' to actually be one of the ship's nacelles (which would make more sense for Finney to be inside), but the visuals obviously don't back this up, as we see (stock) footage of the Enterprise completely intact. Someone like Maurice or Harvey would know better the intent of the scriptwriter, though.
 
TOS tended to use the word 'pod' interchangeably with what we now call nacelles (although Kirk does use the term 'warp nacelle' in TOS at least once.) But dialogue in other episodes also states 'ion pods,' 'warp pods,' etc. The writer might have intended the 'ion pod' to actually be one of the ship's nacelles (which would make more sense for Finney to be inside), but the visuals obviously don't back this up, as we see (stock) footage of the Enterprise completely intact. Someone like Maurice or Harvey would know better the intent of the scriptwriter, though.

With regard to Scotty's "We're losing potency in the anti-matter pods" (The Apple), I was surprised to see the idea on this board that pods means nacelles. And later Kirk calls the nacelles by their proper, unmistakable name.

For anti-matter pods in The Apple, I always pictured a little row of containment tanks in the ship's interior. Pod doesn't say nacelle to me, never did. But that might very well be what they meant by it. Pods could be nacelles in that episode.
 
The TOS-R digital FX show that the "ion pod" was attached to the engineering hull -- there are even scorch marks where (presumably) explosive bolts were used to jettison the pod.

8vKllvy.jpg


However, according to Geoffrey Mandel and Doug Drexler's U.S.S. Enterprise Officer's Manual (1980), the pod is the little "nipple" in the middle of the dome on the bottom of the saucer.

X6Sfrtw.jpg
 
For anti-matter pods in The Apple, I always pictured a little row of containment tanks in the ship's interior. Pod doesn't say nacelle to me, never did. But that might very well be what they meant by it. Pods could be nacelles in that episode.
IIRC, there are early-Enterprise sketches by Jefferies where he label the nacelles as 'power pod(s)' so the term for the nacelles was around during the making of the show.

ETA: And for what it's worth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podded_engine
 
The writer might have intended the 'ion pod' to actually be one of the ship's nacelles (which would make more sense for Finney to be inside), but the visuals obviously don't back this up, as we see (stock) footage of the Enterprise completely intact. Someone like Maurice or Harvey would know better the intent of the scriptwriter, though.
The outlines for the episode make clear it was intended to be a surface feature, like a blister on the hull, that could be ripped off by the disturbance, and so ejected as a precaution.
 
That jet engine stuff is the kind of thing Matt Jefferies would know. Now I think Scotty's pods are a sure bet for the big engines.

Just watched 'The Doomsday Machine' and the term 'matter/antimatter pods' was used. It's not 100% certain that they were referring to the nacelles, but it's another possible example of the terms being used interchangeably.

The outlines for the episode make clear it was intended to be a surface feature, like a blister on the hull, that could be ripped off by the disturbance, and so ejected as a precaution.

Thanks for the clarification.
 
IIRC, there are early-Enterprise sketches by Jefferies where he label the nacelles as 'power pod(s)' so the term for the nacelles was around during the making of the show.

ETA: And for what it's worth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podded_engine
Per Wiki, the term "engine pod" or just "pod" is not used to define the nacelle, rather "podded engine", repetitively.

The ion pod per the episode:
UHURA: Meteorology reports ion storm upcoming, Captain.
KIRK: We'll need somebody in the pod for readings.
SPOCK: Mister Finney is top of duty roster, Captain.
KIRK: Post him.
SPOCK: Attention, Commander Finney, report to pod for reading on ion plates.
The description of "plates" has always perked my curiosity. I have concluded these plates are an array of thin plates used to detect and measure the ions flying by the ship. The ion pod is lowered from the bottom of the ship and "solar panel" like arrays extended out from it. The data systems still required manual interface (as does everything on a first season, 23rd century starship :wtf:). The physical forces from the ion storm, if high enough, can rip the structure from the ship causing great damage to the ship. While under stress, the panels cannot be retracted, so, jettison of the ion pod is the planned safety measure to protect the ship. :techman:

Since Kirk's chair was set up specially for this mission with the jettison button, it seems like the plan was always to jettison the ion pod if the structural stresses reached the critical level. The chair was also set up with the yellow and red alerts to inform the crew as to the magnitude of the storm level; "yellow" to get ready for ion pod jettison and "red" for ion pod jettison is imminent.
 
No matter how you slice it, it's a writer's contrivance. The scenario they were going for was obviously a "man overboard, body not recovered, victim presumed dead" situation, but how do you do that in deep space?
 
The outlines for the episode make clear it was intended to be a surface feature, like a blister on the hull, that could be ripped off by the disturbance, and so ejected as a precaution.

This carried through to the shooting draft, more or less, but was cut during editing. Here's some dialogue removed from Act I, along with the framing dialogue so that you can place it, that fleshes it out a little:
KIRK
Weatherscan indicated an ion storm, dead ahead. I sent Finney into the pod.

STONE
That's outside the ship.

KIRK
It's attached to the skin. One of our missions is to get electron readings in abnormal conditions, such as ion storms. This can only be done by direct exposure on ion-sensitive plates.

STONE
Why Finney?
 
Per Wiki, the term "engine pod" or just "pod" is not used to define the nacelle, rather "podded engine", repetitively.
And we were discussing the "nacelles," not the ion pod. And if we were to be accurate, in aviation, "nacelle" refers to the housing sans the innards that are contained with in it.
 
The term "pod" being used to refer the nacelles was clearly in common usage around the production set in TOS, as we see from the control box which activated the lights, motors etc on the large ship model
v2nayew.jpg

POD LIGHTS and POD MOTOR are clear to see.
Never seen that photo before. Where did you find it?
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top