Countdown #3 official review thread [Spoilers]

[Hartzilla2007]

Nero destroyed the Olympics before refitting the Narada with Borg technology.
So he couldn't have assimilated anything back then, even if the Narada could do that.

Hrrm...Good point! I have a feeling that there has ''got'' to be more going on here? Maybe someone ''else'' dealt with the ''debris''? Because all that debris just culden't have just up and ''Vanish'' like that, could it?

Maybe Nero had the debris recovered for some reason.

 

[miraclefan]

Nero destroyed the Olympics before refitting the Narada with Borg technology.
So he couldn't have assimilated anything back then, even if the Narada could do that.

Hrrm...Good point! I have a feeling that there has ''got'' to be more going on here? Maybe someone ''else'' dealt with the ''debris''? Because all that debris just culden't have just up and ''Vanish'' like that, could it?

Maybe Nero had the debris recovered for some reason.

But even then wouldent there still be ''some'' signs of what happend?( The Destruction of the Olympic Medical ships)

 

[Jono]

Hrrm...Good point! I have a feeling that there has ''got'' to be more going on here? Maybe someone ''else'' dealt with the ''debris''? Because all that debris just culden't have just up and ''Vanish'' like that, could it?

Maybe Nero had the debris recovered for some reason.

But even then wouldent there still be ''some'' signs of what happend?( The Destruction of the Olympic Medical ships)

We see that the destruction of Romulus seemed to cause at least some interference to ship-to-ship communications. Maybe sensors are also affected, it would explain why the medical ships couldn't tell that there were no injured masses on the Narada. They also don't seem to detect the senator's shuttle until it communicates with them. Also given that the area would have vast amounts of debris from the destruction of the planet and any ship or station that might have been in orbit of the planet it might not be that there is no debris, just that it is impossible to distinguish that of evacuation fleet.

 

[miraclefan]

^WOW! That's a pretty good point!

 

[slappy]

This issue answered a lot of questions: Nero's tattoos, the look of the Narada, Spock's ship.
One big question remains: How do Nero and Spock find themselves in the past?
I have a theory that Spock might be planning to travel back in time to prevent the destruction of Romulus. He did it once before (TVH), and it would explain why he wanted to be the one flying the "jellyfish". Nero was probably trying to stop Spock (believing Spock was trying to save Vulcan in the present) and got sucked back in time as well.

I think the singularity they're planning to create in that star is what ultimately sends Spock and Nero back in time. Either the event itself, or the black hole it's going to create.

 

[BorgPhil]

This issue answered a lot of questions: Nero's tattoos, the look of the Narada, Spock's ship.
One big question remains: How do Nero and Spock find themselves in the past?
I have a theory that Spock might be planning to travel back in time to prevent the destruction of Romulus. He did it once before (TVH), and it would explain why he wanted to be the one flying the "jellyfish". Nero was probably trying to stop Spock (believing Spock was trying to save Vulcan in the present) and got sucked back in time as well.

I think the singularity they're planning to create in that star is what ultimately sends Spock and Nero back in time. Either the event itself, or the black hole it's going to create.

yep, I agree. pretty sure their time-travelling won't be intentional.

 

[drychlick]

sadly my comic only had 2 capy and run out before i got off work ! thank you for the spoller! too bad only 3 page of the book remain in the treead thank anyway! love drychlick

 

[Jono]

While I've enjoyed the comic so far I'm not really buying Nero going all psycho mad at the Federation for the loss of his homeworld. It was the Romulan senate that forced him and Spock into going about the task in an underhanded way. The senate that saved themselves but let the rest of the population burn to ash. Especially given in the previous episodes Nero seems very balanced and understood all the risks and uncertainties that the mission involved. He should have really tried to get his wife off the planet as well, letting her stay (in hindsight) wasn't the best idea in the galaxy.

 

[ancient]

Shinzon suffered from the same problem. Misdirected rage that decided to point itself towards Earth rather than the Romulans. But you've got to have the human characters involved somehow.

 

[Praetor]

Perhaps the Senate should have actually listened to him but he should have still had to go to the Federation/Vulcans for help and have them say 'no'? That might make his rage a little less misdirected.

 

[JacksonArcher]

I think it's really cool how they are building up to the film with these comic issues. I'm a much bigger fan of The Next Generation than I am of The Original Series, so it's cool to see Picard, Data, and Geordi again. I don't know how I feel about Picard as an ambassador, since I never saw him really leaving the captain's chair, and in my personal opinion, I saw him retiring to his vineyard in France, but then again after the death of his brother and nephew perhaps that would have been too much for him. At least as an ambassador he's still active in Starfleet.

I don't know how I feel about "Captain" Data. I knew he would continue on in the form of B-4, so that's not surprising, but I always thought Data was best suited as the science officer, and that was it. I don't know if he has the "human" touch to be a captain, unless he has his emotion chip. It's nice to see Geordi with his vision intact, something I was waiting to happen for a while now.

Overall, though, back on the subject of the events leading up 'til the film, I'm really liking how things are being staged. It gives us a really strong look at Nero's motivation for doing what he's going to be doing (destroying Vulcan? Why not go back in time and prevent Romulus from being destroyed?). Or perhaps he believes that by destroying Vulcan, it will somehow prevent Romulus from being destroyed, but I still don't understand that, since apparently the Vulcans had something to do with the destruction of Romulus, but it was a natural event in the galaxy that just supernova'd.

A part of me wishes we were somehow getting these issues as the next movie, but I understand why we're getting what we're getting (mass appeal, making Trek cool again, restarting from scratch). Here we have the best of both worlds: Continuing to explore "old" Trek, while keeping the focus on "new" Trek for new audiences.

I also think the term "Jellyfish" is an appriopriate name, and I think the design of the ship is pretty cool. What else would you have it be called?

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Nero isn't thinking rationally. Everything he knows and loves is gone.

His vengeance is channelling an anger he cannot contain, and he's just plain lost it.

He is insane. To ascrobe "Why doesn't he do X" to an insane mind is not logical.

 

[JacksonArcher]

I dunno. To me, it would be about getting back what was lost. So, why doesn't he just travel back in time when Romulus wasn't destroyed, at the very least get his family out of there, or warn the people of Romulus. To go all the way back to destroy Vulcan....I mean, why doesn't he destroy Vulcan in the present? It doesn't make much sense, as much sense as it was for Shinzon to suddenly have all this "motivation" to destroy Earth when his real tormentors were the Romulans.

 

[Therin of Andor]

why doesn't he just travel back in time when Romulus wasn't destroyed, at the very least get his family out of there, or warn the people of Romulus. To go all the way back to destroy Vulcan....I mean, why doesn't he destroy Vulcan in the present?

You assume he even knows he's in the past when he starts his campaign of destruction.

as much sense as it was for Shinzon to suddenly have all this "motivation" to destroy Earth when his real tormentors were the Romulans.

Shinzon says it himself. He wants to destroy Earth because that's an achievement the Romulans had never managed. He'd already killed the Romulan Senate and had no beef with regular Romulans.

 

[BorgPhil]

how do you know he doesn't save Romulus in the past?

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Nero is a Miner, not a Scientist or a General, so he may consider it impossible to go back in time until something happens.

His trip back in time, although calculated and planned, is not entirely based on rational thought. It's based on grief and rage.

He also may be considering the Grandfather Paradox. If he goes back and saves Romulus, there is no impetus for him to go back and save Romulus. Therefore, his going back would somehow fail every time.

 

[miraclefan]

Nero isn't thinking rationally. Everything he knows and loves is gone.

His vengeance is channelling an anger he cannot contain, and he's just plain lost it.
He is insane. To ascrobe "Why doesn't he do X" to an insane mind is not logical.

In fact in Countdown#1 or #2 Nero tells Spock about his intensions, if Romulas was not saved, That he (Nero) would attack Vulcan & the Federation.

I dunno. To me, it would be about getting back what was lost. So, why doesn't he just travel back in time when Romulus wasn't destroyed, at the very least get his family out of there, or warn the people of Romulus. To go all the way back to destroy Vulcan....I mean, why doesn't he destroy Vulcan in the present?

Who's to say he ''dosn't'' destroy Vulcan in the ''present''? We see in the latest trailer a planet ''imploding'' who's to say that's not a flashback scene were Nero destroys the Vulcan of the present?

 

[Praetor]

Maybe he can stop the nova in the past more easily, if he collects the decalithium from Vulcan by force?

 

[miraclefan]

Maybe he can stop the nova in the past more easily, if he collects the decalithium from Vulcan by force?

My guess is that after getting all of the ''red matter'' from Vulcan of the present, he realizes he dosn't have enough to stop the supernova. But if he goes to the Vulcan of the past and takes it's ''R-matter'' he'll have enough to stop the nova in the present? but then again ''that'' doesn't make sense either, because if he takes the ''R-matter'' from Vulcans past, that means the ''R-matter'' From Vulcans future would dissaper right? Time travel hurts!

 

[Praetor]

Well, if you subscribe to the whole 'multiple universe' thing they're going for - which means technically he'll have his future Vulcan's red matter and an alternate past Vulcan's red matter, so both could exist at once aboard his ship. Theoretically of course.