Sorry if this has been discussed before, but it's something that keeps occuring to me. We see in The End of Time how angry Ten is that he has to die, actually getting pretty nasty about it at one point. Let's just assume for a moment that his personality lives on somehow (past DW fiction has, I believe, actually had this happening, with all of the Doctor's past regenerations being stored in a pocket dimension on dying). Could he not hate his situation enough that he might go mad, and seek to break free and prevent his situation from ever happening in the first place? I know it's only fanon, but I once read a rather interesting fan fic where Ten, upon dying, goes into a metaphysical room with all his past incarnations and they shun him because of his Time Lord Victorious thing, and being left on his own he begins to despise the Eleventh Doctor for usurping his place. So this is where I see a possible link to the Valeyard, who sought to destroy the Doctor and the Time Lords.
Could the Tenth Doctor become the Valeyard?
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I was actually wondering if Doc 11 was tending towards becoming The Valeyard in The Eleventh Hour when he collapsed and trembled near the duck pond saying something like "Not yet. It's too soon!"
Doubt it though..
Doubt it though..
What with that huge outburst of energy during the regeneration, It would be easy enough for them to say that a new, twisted and powerful time-lordy being was created out of all of his bubbling angst from the time war.
However, as I recall the Valeyard shouldn't pop up for another 2 regenerations if we're going to adhere to the source of the character.
However, as I recall the Valeyard shouldn't pop up for another 2 regenerations if we're going to adhere to the source of the character.
Maybe the Alt-10 left with Rose could become the Valeyard? We could get really fan-wanky and maybe something happens to Rose before she can rehabilitate him...he gets pissed, goes off the deep end and breaks through from Pete's World to exact his revenge on the Doctor...
No, he'd be repelled by the fanwankery of it.
I'm in no hurry to see the Boatyard, whatever face he may be wearing.
It would be interesting even if the alt tenth Doctor doesn't become the Trainyard.
Hell, Alt Ten is their out in order to bring Tennant back as Twelve or in the DW movie! 
Oh, I agree...it would be fan-wankery of the highest order...
I don't know...that sounds vaguely familiar, but I don't read the comics either...I'd rather see something like that play out in that medium rather than on screen...
The "Valeyard" in "The forgotten" turned out to be some weird space parasite, and not the other Doctor.
Going on dialogue from "Trial" alone, I was under the impression that the Valeyard is sort of like the Watcher or Cho Je/K'anpo, a 'between' Doctor incarnation.
In the novels they sort of treated him like a possible future. Apparentally the Seventh Doctor was 'created' because if the Sixth continued any longer he would've eventually created the Valeyard's future or something like that. However it is also hinted that the Seventh incarnation in fact is much closer to the Valeyard.
Also something interesting is that the Doctor is in a mental battle with "The Dark side" of Omega's mind. So maybe it's something like that too.
Apparentally there were some initial plans to bring the Valeyard back in McCoy's era. These ideas eventually became the novel "Matrix".
Going on dialogue from "Trial" alone, I was under the impression that the Valeyard is sort of like the Watcher or Cho Je/K'anpo, a 'between' Doctor incarnation.
In the novels they sort of treated him like a possible future. Apparentally the Seventh Doctor was 'created' because if the Sixth continued any longer he would've eventually created the Valeyard's future or something like that. However it is also hinted that the Seventh incarnation in fact is much closer to the Valeyard.
Also something interesting is that the Doctor is in a mental battle with "The Dark side" of Omega's mind. So maybe it's something like that too.
Apparentally there were some initial plans to bring the Valeyard back in McCoy's era. These ideas eventually became the novel "Matrix".
The Valeyard is something best left forgotten, and never followed up on.
I'm with EJA here - what with all the scripting troubles of Trial the Valeyard is a bit of a mess, but...
But, I like the basic idea of the Doctor, in his last incarnation, becoming ruthless as he doesn't have time for subtlety, and losing his morality in the process - a well meaning villain, who thinks the ends justify the means. Which is a line the seventh, ninth and tenth Doctors have all come close to crossing...
And mostly likly the 8th if he was the one to kill the timelords and the daleks. Really the doctor from the 7th onwards, he was more innocent (if you can use that term) from 1 to 6
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