Yeah, pretty much.
Could Star Trek V been saved?
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Yeah, pretty much.
Do you think that the shat may have been influenced unconsciously by The Way to Eden? Perhaps he recalled the rough concept of that story which also involved a cult like leader. If so, he didn’t pick the best episode to leverage for inspiration.
I cannot think of something I care less about than what Gene Roddenberry's possible opinion of my headcanon would have been.
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Despite what I said earlier about some of Shatner's motivations in making the movie (to make Kirk look strong, but not to make others look weak), I really like your interpretation.
If the story is about Kirk, having Kirk be the one to resist Sybok makes sense. (I actually think the rock-climbing scene is great because of the fact that Kirk has pushed himself and almost falls, though.)
I have a bigger problem with the way Kirk acts in the shuttle hangar and in the brig, though. In real life I could see a person be this angry, but since I very much agree that TOS shows starship captains seeming "larger than life," I really think he should have handled being taken captive with more grace.
My problem with those scenes are:
1. Spock didn't shoot because he said Kirk ordered him to kill his brother. Just because Sybok pressed his chest (where his heart ain't) up to the barrel doesn't mean Spock couldn't have fired LONG before then and incapacitate him. Or shoved him back and then shot him, etc.
2. The argument in the brig was, as most of the tense scenes in this and the next film, deflated by jokes. "You made that up" and how Kirk reacts directly following is like watching a 4th grader argue with an adult.
I doubt The Way to Eden was a factor, at all.
He who forgets The Way to Eden is doomed to remake it.
It's an ok episode.
Or overpowered him in some other way, or just let Sybok's followers know he was going to shoot him if they did not stand down, or any number of other things that would have made more sense than the rather strange idea that Spock must choose between killing Sybok, regardless of their relationship, and letting the crew of refugees take over the ship.
I get that the moment was supposed to be "Spock's loyalty put to the test," but Nimoy does not play it that way. The refuges could have taken over the ship in a different way: sneaking through access conduits, etc. that would have made more sense.
I think my biggest frustration with TFF is that everything is too easy. The ambassadors are taken hostage too easily, the Enterprise is overtaken too easily, and the alien gets wrestled then blown up.
It's all kind of meh.
That raises an interesting question: Have we ever seen a Vulcan use a neck pinch against another Vulcan?
Most of the best parts of "The Way to Eden" are when Dr. Sevrin is monologuing and conversing with either Spock or McCoy. These parts are as good as what's in any episode.
Unless there happen to be statements out there to the contrary from the parties involved, I don't think the episode had anything to do with the development of STV, though.
The concepts of Eden and of cults transcend the third season episode.
Unless there happen to be statements out there to the contrary from the parties involved, I don't think the episode had anything to do with the development of STV, though.
The concepts of Eden and of cults transcend the third season episode.
I assumed he was a relative of Koord, based on the ridge pattern. Maybe Koord his his father or head of his House. Though I think the House thing was created in TNG,
I’m sure you’re correct…. I was just throwing out the wild and unsubstantiated speculation that maybe somewhere deep in Shatners psyche he sort of remembered that episode and unconsciously emulated the rough theme.Most of the best parts of "The Way to Eden" are when Dr. Sevrin is monologuing and conversing with either Spock or McCoy. These parts are as good as what's in any episode.
Unless there happen to be statements out there to the contrary from the parties involved, I don't think the episode had anything to do with the development of STV, though.
The concepts of Eden and of cults transcend the third season episode.
I mean, it happens. I wrote this amazing play called hamnet only to learn that some scoundrel copied it (albeit a few hundred years earlier ). Damn that Shakespeare guy. What a plagiarist.
Tolkien ripped off Rowling too much for my liking.
Also, you should try hamming up your script to make it different than the other hack.
The man is... nefarious.
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