Could Star Trek V been saved?

[fireproof78]

Also, at random: When all the people are listing their culture's name for this place they've supposedly just found, St. John Talbot says "Eden." Uhm... no. In Judeo-Christian theology, Eden is not the place where you go to find God. It's not Heaven. And it's not at the center of the galaxy. It's a specific place on Earth where creation of mankind is supposed to have happened. Referring to Sha Ka Rhee as Eden makes no sense.

It is the place of human creation or origin.

SYBOK: Sha Ka Ree. ...'The Source'. ...'Heaven.' ...'Eden.' ...'Call it what you will. The Klingons call it 'Qui'Tu.' To the Romulans, it's 'Vorta Vor.' The Andorian word is, ...is unpronounceable. Still every culture shares this common dream of a place from which creation sprang. For us, that place will soon be a reality.

Sybok also is generalizing his idea of a creation myths to unite people with his cause.

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

If what we got is the film being "saved", then...ouch.

In a sense, though it could have been a lot worse if some unused ideas had been used.

 

[FlyingWave]

Having just rewatched Star Trek V for the first time in a while, I found it not terrible. But it was a mess with a lot of ideas and characters thrown in for a movie that felt like an okay episode of the show.

But there ARE good and even cinematic ideas present. Do you think the premise and ideas present in Final Frontier could've been salvaged into a solid Trek film?

the plot idea is not worse then the one with the whales in IV which for me at least is the worst. not V

 

[Ssosmcin]

Just a random thought: There were a few things TFF did do right. I was re-watching a few scenes and they actually did a really good job of creating the illusion that Kirk was high up on the mountain. The shots filmed in the nearby parking lot with a fake wall actually hold up very well. Additionally, although Ferren's effects are generally lousy, I like the use of rear projection for the main viewscreen and the shuttle viewports, rather than the traditional blue screen effects. It makes it more realistic.

I really appreciated Shatner's desire for more realism in the sets. I remember that being something he mentioned in interviews well before the film came out. He wanted "real steel clanging doors" or something.

I just wish he wasn't the storymind and let others come up with the plot.

 

[Corran Horn]

"I need my pain" is a great message. I actually don't think the movie is that bad.

 

[Uxi]

Just a random thought: There were a few things TFF did do right. I was re-watching a few scenes and they actually did a really good job of creating the illusion that Kirk was high up on the mountain. The shots filmed in the nearby parking lot with a fake wall actually hold up very well. Additionally, although Ferren's effects are generally lousy, I like the use of rear projection for the main viewscreen and the shuttle viewports, rather than the traditional blue screen effects. It makes it more realistic.

Also, at random: When all the people are listing their culture's name for this place they've supposedly just found, St. John Talbot says "Eden." Uhm... no. In Judeo-Christian theology, Eden is not the place where you go to find God. It's not Heaven. And it's not at the center of the galaxy. It's a specific place on Earth where creation of mankind is supposed to have happened. Referring to Sha Ka Rhee as Eden makes no sense.

Nimoy did the same the line in Star Trek VI referring to the expulsion from Paradise. Vaguely secular non-sectarian interpretation than anything from St. Thomas Aquinas.

 

[CoveTom]

It is the place of human creation or origin.

SYBOK: Sha Ka Ree. ...'The Source'. ...'Heaven.' ...'Eden.' ...'Call it what you will. The Klingons call it 'Qui'Tu.' To the Romulans, it's 'Vorta Vor.' The Andorian word is, ...is unpronounceable. Still every culture shares this common dream of a place from which creation sprang. For us, that place will soon be a reality.

Sybok also is generalizing his idea of a creation myths to unite people with his cause.

But the Eden of the Bible is a specific place, here on Earth. It's not some unknown spot out there in the galaxy. And it is also not where God lives.

 

[fireproof78]

But the Eden of the Bible is a specific place, here on Earth. It's not some unknown spot out there in the galaxy. And it is also not where God lives.

Again, Sybok is making very loose connections to appeal to a larger audience.

This is not logical but an appeal to common shared beliefs.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

The only good idea in TFF plot wise is giving Spock an estranged brother who embraced emotion and having him be the villain. It could have been a huge source of conflict for Spock, both testing his loyalty to Kirk and making him question whether his way or Sybok's way was right. As it stands Sybok is just depicted as a kook and doesn't even end up having that much screen time with Spock besides a couple scenes.

The plot in general was ill advised with the brain washing, search for god exc. So just take the idea I laid out above and make a completely different movie.

Love the camping opening though as everyone seems to.

 

[Ubiquitousclate]

The first time that I saw the film was on HBO in the spring/summer 1990. For some reason, although I had seen Star Trek IV in a theatre upon its release, I didn't for this one. I was twelve when it was released, so I didn't really have much of a choice in the matter, so to speak. Perhaps my parents read/saw negative reviews.

I remember that something didn't seem quite "right" about the film, and that opinion stands to this day. I have only watched the film once in its entirety; otherwise, bits and pieces . Every other film from 1-6, I've probably watched at least ten times. I hope that takes nothing away from anyone's enjoyment of the film. It simply isn't quite "Star Trek" to me. Then again, neither is "The Mystery of Edwin Drood" what I think of as a Dickens novel. Unlike my favorite novels of that author, I'll never read that again--and so be it. Thus, the notion that there is a subjective outlier isn't that far-fatched even amongst something that has held my interest for decades.