Could Q be an organian?
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He isn't an Organian. They've clearly said they are from the Q Continuum. What are they? Supposedly an advanced, evolved intelligence. The Organians abhor contact with lesser species, while the Q revel in it.
Nope. Organians can't stand being around corporeal beings -- it's literally painful to them (although ENT: "Observer Effect" forgot this). Q loves hanging around humans. Also, Organians are attached to Organia. Despite being incorporeal, they cling to their ancestral home planet, because they're misanthropes and like to keep to themselves. The Q reside in a separate continuum altogether.
People often think that because of their similar personalities, but otherwise they were completely different. Remember, Trelane got his powers from a machine. They weren't innate to him, but came from technology. And his illusions were a lot less real than Q's creations -- the fire had no warmth, the food no taste, etc. He didn't do anything you couldn't do with a transporter and a holodeck, aside from moving Gothos itself, which could've been an illusion.
Also, "The Q and the Gray" established that the Q had never had children before. (Amanda Rogers's parents didn't give birth to her until they left the Continuum and became human, so evidently that didn't count.)
The thing is, people tend to assume that all aliens more powerful than humans must be equally all-powerful and godlike, but if you look closely, you see there's a hierarchy, with some alien superraces demonstrating a lot more power than others. The Q are undoubtedly at the top of the power hierarchy, with effectively limitless power to alter reality. The Douwd from TNG: "The Survivors" appear to be comparably powerful, able to wipe an entire species from existence with a single thought. No other Trek superrace has shown anywhere near that level of power. The Organians showed that they could immobilize ships over a fair swath of space and communicate mentally with multiple worlds at once, but nothing beyond that. They may be the most powerful race encountered in TOS, but not in the whole franchise. The Thasians seem to have a similar level of psychokinetic ability which they somehow endowed to Charlie Evans, so they're pretty powerful too. Trelane's species is probably well below them, given their need for technological assistance. (Sure, you can handwave that Trelane only needed that assistance because he was a child, but there's nothing in the episode itself to suggest that, so it would be speculating beyond the evidence.)
If you consider the vast age of the universe and the relative youth of humanity, it stands to reason that the vast majority of sentient species in the galaxy would be far, far older than humanity, which by Trek standards of evolution would mean that godlike superraces vastly outnumber corporeal humanoids. Which is why the fan desire to conflate different godlike superraces together into the same race is getting it backward. Statistically, it's immensely more likely that they're unrelated.
People often think that because of their similar personalities, but otherwise they were completely different. Remember, Trelane got his powers from a machine. They weren't innate to him, but came from technology. And his illusions were a lot less real than Q's creations -- the fire had no warmth, the food no taste, etc. He didn't do anything you couldn't do with a transporter and a holodeck, aside from moving Gothos itself, which could've been an illusion.
Also, "The Q and the Gray" established that the Q had never had children before. (Amanda Rogers's parents didn't give birth to her until they left the Continuum and became human, so evidently that didn't count.)
The thing is, people tend to assume that all aliens more powerful than humans must be equally all-powerful and godlike, but if you look closely, you see there's a hierarchy, with some alien superraces demonstrating a lot more power than others. The Q are undoubtedly at the top of the power hierarchy, with effectively limitless power to alter reality. The Douwd from TNG: "The Survivors" appear to be comparably powerful, able to wipe an entire species from existence with a single thought. No other Trek superrace has shown anywhere near that level of power. The Organians showed that they could immobilize ships over a fair swath of space and communicate mentally with multiple worlds at once, but nothing beyond that. They may be the most powerful race encountered in TOS, but not in the whole franchise. The Thasians seem to have a similar level of psychokinetic ability which they somehow endowed to Charlie Evans, so they're pretty powerful too. Trelane's species is probably well below them, given their need for technological assistance. (Sure, you can handwave that Trelane only needed that assistance because he was a child, but there's nothing in the episode itself to suggest that, so it would be speculating beyond the evidence.)
If you consider the vast age of the universe and the relative youth of humanity, it stands to reason that the vast majority of sentient species in the galaxy would be far, far older than humanity, which by Trek standards of evolution would mean that godlike superraces vastly outnumber corporeal humanoids. Which is why the fan desire to conflate different godlike superraces together into the same race is getting it backward. Statistically, it's immensely more likely that they're unrelated.
Given the time travel abilities and a seeming "high level of omnipotence" of the Q, they could be everybody. Descended from humans who evolved into Organians who evolved into X, Y and Z until they evolved into the Q who then looped back to make sure it all will have happened.
At a certain level of competence, things like "species" or "identity" would cease to matter. Existence would be far more fluid than that.
Timo Saloniemi
At a certain level of competence, things like "species" or "identity" would cease to matter. Existence would be far more fluid than that.
Timo Saloniemi
Well, I know he isn't an Organian.
He could if he wanted. He wouldn't see it as materially different from appearing as a human.
but would Q find Ape Vash interesting?
I still don't understand why he'd find a human woman interesting. From his perspective, it'd be like getting turned on by a trilobite.
Although I figure his pretentions of interest in human women are just roleplaying, getting into character as a human male, along the same lines as his love of cosplaying in assorted uniforms.
Sometimes you just see a very attractive trilobite crawling past the usual brainless mob of dickensonia, and.. the heart wants what it wants.
He's a pervert.
