Could Janeway and Tuvok have being at the Battle of Wolf 359?

[Pheon]

Just earlier I had an interesting concept while trying to make sense of the rather convoluted history of Janeway\Tuvok, and I wanted some other opinions on the theory.

First of all I’m listing all of the canon facts that we know of Tuvok and Janeway’s careers, with as little speculation as possible and bring them together in a timeline.

2349
Tuvok rejoins Starfleet serves onboard the USS Wyoming.

2349-2365
Tuvok serves sixteen years at the Academy as an instructor, whilst the years are a fact they fit up amazing quite nicely with other information.

2354
Janeway graduates Starfleet Academy. She is assigned to the USS Al-Batani under the command of Captain Owen Paris as a junior science officer. While still serving here she takes part in the Arias expedition. Assuming she’s the same age as Kate Mulgrew and she graduated at age 22.

Circa 2356
Janeway and Tuvok first meet. Tuvok dresses her down in front of three admirals for failing to observe proper tactical procedures during her command. Given Janeway’s age, which is presumably somewhere in the range of Kate Mulgrew’s this would make her at the most in her early twenties at this time. So I presume command to mean something in the meaning of a leadership role as opposed to actual starship command. Around this time Tuvok would be serving at the Academy, so I don’t see any problem with him acting in some kind of dual role at Starfleet Command in presenting evidence during disciplinary hearings.

c 2354-2365
Lieutenant Janeway is decorated by Starfleet Command and fighting against the Cardassians. Timeframe suggests this took place during the Cardassian Wars. May be related to the above incident.

2365
Janeway begins to rely on Tuvok’s advice while both are assigned to the USS Billings. Janeway is in her first year as a Commander. I’d assume this to mean when they first serve together. Given the timeframe I assume this to also be the time of the incident mentioned in ‘Night’ where Janeway completes the dangerous volcanic survey at risk to her own life. I also presume that Tuvok was present during those events given the context of his conversation with Chakotay in the episode, and Janeway was literally a Commander in rank.

Jan 2367
Battle of Wolf 359

2367
Tuvok begins making psychological observations about Janeway.

c 2367
Tuvok serves temporally on Jupiter station. This can really be moved around anywhere between and 2365-2371. It would make sense that he served here briefly after the Battle of Wolf 359 while Janeway awaits another command.

2371
Both serve on USS Voyager.

Okay, on to the point. Assuming a certain degree of validly (that isn’t contradicted by canon) of executive producer Jeri Taylor’s novels, Janeway’s first command was the USS Bonestall. The Star Trek Encyclopedia identifies the Oberth class vessel seen been destroyed in the window of Sisko’s quarters in ‘Emissary’ as the USS Bonestall (NCC-31600).

Presumably given the timeframe involved if Janeway was to command the Bonestall, she would firstly have to command it before it was blown up by the Borg. Given the tight time framing between her time on the Billings and the battle she would have taken command around 2366.

Since the ship seems adrift its appearance in ‘Emissary’, one could imagine Janeway had already given the order to evacuate before it was blown up explaining why she and Tuvok are still alive.

So I’m eager to hear what everyone has to say on this.

If you want sources for the information just check out their pages on Memory Alpha, I corroborated the data on there myself directly from the episodes.

 

[KingstonTrekker]

Weren't all of the Starfleet ships that fought at Wolf 359 destroyed in that battle?

I suppose it would be possible that they were both there and escaped in an escape pod (like Sisko.)

 

[rahullak]

Maybe we could find some way in which Archer somehow traveled to the future and was also present at the Battle of Wolf 359. After all, Picard/Locutus, Sisko and Janeway appear to have been present.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

She was on the Enterprise D actually, going by the name Shelby. Later her face was reconstructed after a horrible accident involving coffee and phase coil emitters.

 

[Wally]

If they were, seems like it would have come up during those one or two episodes on Voyager that dealt with the Borg.

 

[black_dranzer]

Maybe Bonestall is just a revered starship name in Starfleet...after all, there have been 6 different incarnations of starships called Enterprise (7 if you include NX-01), and we've seen other names used more than once...

 

[Lynx]

If Janeway and Tuvok had been involved in the battle of Wolf 359 it would have been mentioned in some episode or book.

 

[Thestral]

Maybe we could find some way in which Archer somehow traveled to the future and was also present at the Battle of Wolf 359. After all, Picard/Locutus, Sisko and Janeway appear to have been present.

LOL... and this tells us why it's a poor idea. Wolf 359 may have been a watershed moment for Starfleet, but the idea that all three show-leading captains would be there? Bad idea.

 

[Timo]

Why, though? It could be that the Wolf 359 experience is what created ambitious and interesting starship commanders, including two who would later warrant spinoff TV shows of their own.

Weren't all of the Starfleet ships that fought at Wolf 359 destroyed in that battle?

No, nothing of this sort has ever been stated. All we know is that there were no ships left there when our heroes on the E-D arrived at the scene. But at least a few ships must have survived the actual battle, because they would have been the only means by which Sisko and other survivors could have left the scene afterwards.

It's actually not that bad an idea that Janeway would have commanded the ship we saw in "Emissary". The Bonestell * is a science vessel by appearance (although ships of that design have also performed supply duty now and then), and Janeway would have been a science skipper. True, it's unlikely that Janeway was present at the Battle of Wolf 359, or more mention would have been made of it in the Borg episodes. But it wouldn't be difficult to claim that Janeway had been reassigned just before that battle, or even that the battle took Starfleet so much by surprise that Janeway couldn't be recalled from a vacation in time, and it was her XO who perished on that ship when she was lost in the battle.

Or, for all we know, the ship and the XO both survived the battle, helping evacuate Sisko et al., and subsequently the heroic XO was given command of the ship, allowing Janeway to move on to bigger things.

*) The name of the ship should probably be Bonestell, as the ship no doubt is named after Chesley Bonestell, the famous scifi artist. I don't think we've ever seen the spelling on screen, so we could just as well go for the correct one...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Shazam!]

even that the battle took Starfleet so much by surprise that Janeway couldn't be recalled from a vacation in time

The idea that Janeway missed a full scale Borg assult on the Federation because she was on holiday makes me LOL

 

[Timo]

And if she's self-conscious about it, then we have a perfect explanation for why she never discusses it.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ProStar]

Wolf 359 and Janeway/Tuvok

I think that Janeway/Tuvok was in command of a mission that was out of range of the Battle, the ship was unware of the fact due to being so far out of range Starfleet were using any starships within range of earth at high warp. Janeway/Tuvok could returned to Earth months after Wolf 359. By that time most of the files and reports were restricted and made restricted to Admirals. After time the files had been opened to all the Captains of the fleet with all Starfleet crew aware of them.

 

[exodus]

I think the fact that Janeway never read any of the Captains reports on WOLF 359 until "Scorpion" was a big hint that she was there first hand.

 

[Bostonian]

^Or perhaps she did not have that much interest in the Borg. If she were in the Battle, I would think she would have taken great interest in her fellow (surviving) captains’ reports.

If Janeway had been at Wolf 359 I would have expected a very different way of dealing with the Borg, more akin to Jean-Luc in First Contact. A lot more bitterness. Look at how Sisko was still shook up few couple years afterward in “Emissary.”

Claiming Janeway commanded the little Oberth-class ship that was destroyed/severely damaged outside Sisko’s window in “Emissary” seems like a stretch to me. First of all, the name was only assigned post-episode by Okuda—the ship itself has no name or registry. We'd be going on two book references—the Encyclopedia’s starship list and a novel—to infer a major event in Janeway’s life that somehow never made it onscreen.

And finally, the obvious—if Janeway was at the battle, there would have been no cube left for Riker, Data & co. to so cleverly destroy at Earth.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Weren't all of the Starfleet ships that fought at Wolf 359 destroyed in that battle?

No, nothing of this sort has ever been stated. All we know is that there were no ships left there when our heroes on the E-D arrived at the scene. But at least a few ships must have survived the actual battle, because they would have been the only means by which Sisko and other survivors could have left the scene afterwards.

Actually in The Best of Both Worlds Part 2 it was said by Adm. Hanson said that Starfleet had gathered a fleet of 40 starships at Wolf 359 and in The Drumhead Picard said 39 ships had been destroyed at Wolf 359, so actually there was onlt one ship that survived not a few.

 

[Timo]

That's reading far too much into the evidence.

Hansen said he had summoned 40 ships, which may mean anything between 35 and 45. He also said he was expecting more to arrive. OTOH, we never saw 40 ships; at most, we could track down less than two dozen wrecks. Most of the Battle of Wolf 359 still remains unknown to us, then.

Nobody has ever made mention of a sole surviving ship, even though such a thing would certainly be worth a story or two, and at the very least should be mentioned as a primary source for information on the Borg... So probably there was nothing "unique" about the survivors of the battle, no individual ship names to be singled out and remembered.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[nx1701g]

^ I know it's not canon but a lot of people have assumed that the Endeavor (where Amisov's logs came from) was the surviving ship.

 

[pah2602]

Could Janeway and Tuvok have being at the Battle of Wolf 359?

Yes they could have. It's a possibility but we'll never know so speculate all you like it's irrelevant.

It's a bit like stating the facts as follows - There is some wool here and some knitting needles over there. Could I make a jumper. Well yes I could but then again maybe I won't. If I don't tell anyone then who will ever know?

 

[T'Girl]

Jim Kirk was also present at the battle of wolf 359, in order that the future emissary might escape, Kirk distracted the borg queen by making love to her.

 

[Gotham Central]

With Voyager anything is possible. After all, some kind of way there are assimilated Starfleet, Klingon and Romulan drones in the Delta Quadrant who were aparently captured at Wolf 359 (which is patently absurd given that that cube slashed and burned its way to Earth where it was destroyed).