Could Burham maybe learned of the history of the Federation when she said in the future for a year?

[F. King Daniel]

You'd think by that time you'd be able to "upload" new information to ones brain quickly. ..

One crit is that the future isn't really that much more futuristic than the 24th century.

I think that's why they had "the burn" apocalypse ad well as a century of temporal wars to keep things from evolving too far.

I'd love Trek to embrace the powers of the transporter, where those little badges should be able to beam you across the galaxy, resurrect you upon death, duplicate, time travel, de-age and anything else that transporters did once then was forgotten. Add to that the magic serum from TOS that gave telekinetic powers, and you have a show about technologically assisted proto-Q.

It wouldn't have much in common with Star Trek, though.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Could she have learn about various captains like Picard, Sisko, Janeway? And I wonder when she and the Discovery crew became familiar with the technology of 3189?

When she and the Discovery crew became familiar with the technology of 3189?

Kristine, these are essentially the same question, so I'm gonna go ahead and merge the threads together. Thanks.

 

[Timo]

Probably not. It's implied that Burnham ended up very distant to the Federation, possibly somewhere deep in the Beta Quadrant when she arrived in 3188. Given that Burnham didn't know that Earth had seceded from the Federation, access to detailed information about Federation history beyond the last 100 years was probably non-existent, at least were burnham was.

It seems Burnham ended up where she wanted to, more or less: she was able to contact her intended destination Terralysium easily enough from there. So, 51k ly from Earth...

...But that still wouldn't stop her from learning stuff about the Federation, since Booker took him right to a bona fide Federation worshipper. Sahil's databanks might have been damaged or otherwise corrupted, but he would be full of childhood bedtime stories at the very least.

I can see those stories failing to involve Earth's secession, though, for various reasons. Tales of heroic captains would have better odds at reaching the young and impressionable Sahil.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Agony_Boothb]

It seems Burnham ended up where she wanted to, more or less: she was able to contact her intended destination Terralysium easily enough from there. So, 51k ly from Earth...

...But that still wouldn't stop her from learning stuff about the Federation, since Booker took him right to a bona fide Federation worshipper. Sahil's databanks might have been damaged or otherwise corrupted, but he would be full of childhood bedtime stories at the very least.

I can see those stories failing to involve Earth's secession, though, for various reasons. Tales of heroic captains would have better odds at reaching the young and impressionable Sahil.

Timo Saloniemi

Sahil seemed to have very limited information about anything outside the 600 lightyear radius he could scan given that subspace relays seem to also have been destroyed in the burn with any surviving ones inactive by 3188. There's a solid chance that sahil and his father before him had zero clue about the fate of Earth and the Federation in the Alpha Quadrant.

 

[Timtamttime]

There was a Voyager J or something like that. I can’t exactly remember the letter. But the fact that Voyager was a famous enough ship to keep naming more ships after it would make me think that at least Janeway was remembered, though possibly not the rest of her crew.

 

[Timo]

Today we remember the Enterprise. How many remember who commanded her at Lake Champlain? Or at Malta? Midway, even?

And yes, it was Voyager-J, no doubt in direct out-universe reference to Janeway. In-universe, it gives us ten generations of starships in eight centuries, which is pretty good survivability compared with the mayflies named Enterprise...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[dinzy]

There's explicitly a 3-week gap between "Die Trying" and "Scavengers" during which Discovery is refitted to 32nd-century specs and the crew is trained in the new technologies.

And of course, Burnham spends a whole year in the 3180s between episodes 1 & 2 of the season, so there was plenty of time for her to learn.

I look back fondly on all the times I learned a new technology in 3 weeks. I bet the writers assumed that is enough. SciFi is so fucking bad at things like that. They always represent the tech people as extreme experts that can grasp all the concepts and deep details of every field outside of medicine. Humans will never be that smart without some kind of enhancement.

I really think the false representation of scientists in sci-fi is a driver of anti science sentiments. Morons think it is all trivial because people like LaForge/Obrien, etc and their analogs in other popular shows like the Flash, Stargate, etc can whip up a technological solution to a seemingly impossible problem in 10 minutes. To the fool who can't understand the difference between TV and reality this cheapens major advancements like the Covid vaccines which took hundreds and hundreds of people to develop, test, plan for roll out, etc. They probably think that was all done by Fauci in 10 minutes which is why they shit on it instead of valuing the hard work of thousands of people over months. A modern computer chip takes 100s of people to design it and many more to develop the manufacturing processes. All in all it takes 1000s of people with PhD.s several years of work.

3 weeks is not enough time to learn how to operate a very complex piece of equipment at an expert level which is what would be required to man something like a starship. It takes much longer to understand the science behind it all. It's par for the course, but it is absolutely absurd.

There was a Voyager J or something like that. I can’t exactly remember the letter. But the fact that Voyager was a famous enough ship to keep naming more ships after it would make me think that at least Janeway was remembered, though possibly not the rest of her crew.

Not really. The name is historically significant to human space exploration and also showed up in TMP. I would expect the story of Voyager being trapped in the Delta Quadrant would resonate across centuries though, so probably.

 

[Christopher]

I really think the false representation of scientists in sci-fi is a driver of anti science sentiments.

I doubt it. The fictional portrayal has always been consistent over the decades, but public attitudes toward science have changed drastically. The problem is decades of right-wing media propaganda spreading mistrust in science and the entire concept of objective reality.

3 weeks is not enough time to learn how to operate a very complex piece of equipment at an expert level which is what would be required to man something like a starship.

As someone mentioned above, it was stated that they'd kept the interfaces and controls close to what the crew was used to. I imagine technology at that level is very adaptive and user-friendly and does most of the work itself. You just need to tell it what you want it to do and it handles the specifics.

I mean, even in the 24th century, Tom Paris was able to give the Delta Flyer controls that looked like something out of Captain Proton. So the exact design of the control systems is negotiable and can be whatever the user is comfortable with. If that was the case in the 24th century, it would logically be even more the case 800 years later. Heck, I'm surprised the tech doesn't just read the user's mind by then.

 

[DEWLine]

Could have sworn there was some more! I'll have to go look again, haha.

Donatu system, I seem to recall? That seems to have been a Big Deal re: Federation-Klingon History in ways we've yet to have explained to us.

 

[Quinton]

Donatu system, I seem to recall? That seems to have been a Big Deal re: Federation-Klingon History in ways we've yet to have explained to us.

Ha, thanks for reminding me I still need to go look. That rings a bell, though!

 

[The Wormhole]

I look back fondly on all the times I learned a new technology in 3 weeks. I bet the writers assumed that is enough. SciFi is so fucking bad at things like that. They always represent the tech people as extreme experts that can grasp all the concepts and deep details of every field outside of medicine. Humans will never be that smart without some kind of enhancement.

I really think the false representation of scientists in sci-fi is a driver of anti science sentiments. Morons think it is all trivial because people like LaForge/Obrien, etc and their analogs in other popular shows like the Flash, Stargate, etc can whip up a technological solution to a seemingly impossible problem in 10 minutes. To the fool who can't understand the difference between TV and reality this cheapens major advancements like the Covid vaccines which took hundreds and hundreds of people to develop, test, plan for roll out, etc. They probably think that was all done by Fauci in 10 minutes which is why they shit on it instead of valuing the hard work of thousands of people over months. A modern computer chip takes 100s of people to design it and many more to develop the manufacturing processes. All in all it takes 1000s of people with PhD.s several years of work.

3 weeks is not enough time to learn how to operate a very complex piece of equipment at an expert level which is what would be required to man something like a starship. It takes much longer to understand the science behind it all. It's par for the course, but it is absolutely absurd.

A lot getting unpacked here.

Not really. The name is historically significant to human space exploration and also showed up in TMP. I would expect the story of Voyager being trapped in the Delta Quadrant would resonate across centuries though, so probably.

There's also the fact that they're reusing USS Voyager's registry number which makes it clear that that specific ship was something noteworthy in Starfleet history.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

look back fondly on all the times I learned a new technology in 3 weeks. I bet the writers assumed that is enough. SciFi is so fucking bad at things like that. They always represent the tech people as extreme experts that can grasp all the concepts and deep details of every field outside of medicine. Humans will never be that smart without some kind of enhancement.

I really think the false representation of scientists in sci-fi is a driver of anti science sentiments. Morons think it is all trivial because people like LaForge/Obrien, etc and their analogs in other popular shows like the Flash, Stargate, etc can whip up a technological solution to a seemingly impossible problem in 10 minutes. To the fool who can't understand the difference between TV and reality this cheapens major advancements like the Covid vaccines which took hundreds and hundreds of people to develop, test, plan for roll out, etc. They probably think that was all done by Fauci in 10 minutes which is why they shit on it instead of valuing the hard work of thousands of people over months. A modern computer chip takes 100s of people to design it and many more to develop the manufacturing processes. All in all it takes 1000s of people with PhD.s several years of work.

3 weeks is not enough time to learn how to operate a very complex piece of equipment at an expert level which is what would be required to man something like a starship. It takes much longer to understand the science behind it all. It's par for the course, but it is absolutely absurd.

I'm not sure what the issue is given Star Trek has always been terribly scientifically inaccurate. It has ships that make sound in a vacuum and completely different species can have children.

It was stated in 'Scavengers' that the upskilling of Discovery's crew was ongoing and that the upgraded 32nd century user interfaces and controls looked virtually identical to 23rd century counterparts to assist the crew. In all seriousness, the crew would probably need to enrol in 32nd century Starfleet academy to become competent. Obviously with this being a tv show, they can't dedicate the next four seasons showing the crew learning every single aspect of all the new technology they have been exposed to, so they just threw at a figure of 3 weeks, because really who cares it's tv.

 

[Timo]

Donatu system, I seem to recall? That seems to have been a Big Deal re: Federation-Klingon History in ways we've yet to have explained to us.

Donatu was also mentioned onscreen in "People of Earth", as a location where Burnham and Booker had an adventure together. Which is a bit of a contradiction since Burnham started out half a galaxy away from Earth and the locations known to Earth in the 23rd century. If she could reach Donatu, why not go visit Earth, too? (Perhaps a different Donatu altogether, then. Or Donna II or whatever.)

That the Battle of Donatu V would have been "big" is a weird notion. "Tribbles" mentions it only in the passing, and solely because this particular battle was close to this Sherman's Planet, of interest that week. Sherman is important in that episode because the two empires have a peaceful contest there. Should we think it was previously a central point of military contest, too?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[DEWLine]

T'Kuvma refers to the battle as important in "Battle at the Binary Stars". It was important to the Klingons...?

 

[Timo]

...And the humans only learned to appreciate it after getting to know their former foes better? A good catch, and a working solution.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Yistaan]

Admiral Vance: The Borg have just assimilated Kaminar, including Su'Kal, and are now causing widespread warp outages at will and assimilating entire sectors in a matter of hours!

Captain Burnham: What's a Borg?

Admiral Vance:

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

The Emperor had enough time to figure out how to blink holograms away XD

OMG best post in this thread. I had all but forgotten about that.

Admiral Vance: The Borg have just assimilated Kaminar, including Su'Kal, and are now causing widespread warp outages at will and assimilating entire sectors in a matter of hours!

Captain Burnham: What's a Borg?

Admiral Vance:

Nooooooooo by this time the Borg and Earth are best buddies...... The Queen changed a few times and now she's emo and dresses like a goth......

Who said the Borg were fashionistas?

 

[dupersuper]

Donatu was also mentioned onscreen in "People of Earth", as a location where Burnham and Booker had an adventure together. Which is a bit of a contradiction since Burnham started out half a galaxy away from Earth and the locations known to Earth in the 23rd century. If she could reach Donatu, why not go visit Earth, too? (Perhaps a different Donatu altogether, then. Or Donna II or whatever.)

Maybe there was a clear transwarp conduit to the system?

 

[Timo]

Even then, Burnham should have been tempted to go from Donatu to nearby Earth. Or even unmotivated to go from Donatu back to the hind end of nowhere along an unreliable conduit...

What the name-drop also tantalizingly leaves unclear is the state of Klingons in the 32nd century. Does Burnham know something the audience doesn't? Even if the pre-Burn Federation annexed Donatu and pushed the Klingons back, it couldn't have pushed them too far back before making the whole Empire go extinct, considering the original compactness of the competing realms: evicting Klingons from Donatu would be but a short step from evicting them from Qo'noS, and absorbing Donatu Klingons into the UFP would not separate them from the fates of Qo'noS Klingons much. So any adventures at and around Donatu ought to reveal things of interest about our favorite worrier race.

Timo Saloniemi