Continuity of TNG
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Humans change their appearance as they age... wrinkles, gray hair, skinnier/fatter, etc.
Not a stretch to say Klingons' ridges alter as they age.
Not a stretch to say Klingons' ridges alter as they age.
Maybe gradually, but abruptly between two consecutive episodes, like Worf's did? And coincidentally at the same time that Worf got a new uniform and baldric, Geordi somehow became chief engineer, the bridge was remodeled, Guinan came aboard, Ten Forward opened, and Dr. Crusher left?
Also, I could swear that a Klingon background crewman in "A Matter of Honor" had Worf's first-season forehead.
Picard's brow ridge is thicker, and his nose and ears are larger in season 7 than in season 1.
Hmmm...
-Worf was suffering an allergic reaction?
The rest are easy
-Geordi got a promotion(as per dialogue)
-The bridge got some new chairs, either replicated on board or at a starbase. It was because of complaints about officers falling asleep on the job.
-Guinan... came aboard, yes
-Ten forward was always there, one of many lounges aboard the Enterprise, albeit the most popular owing to the view.
-Crusher was promoted(as per dialogue)
-The Klingon was Kurn's cousin Larry.
Hmmm...
-Worf was suffering an allergic reaction?
The rest are easy
-Geordi got a promotion(as per dialogue)
-The bridge got some new chairs, either replicated on board or at a starbase. It was because of complaints about officers falling asleep on the job.
-Guinan... came aboard, yes
-Ten forward was always there, one of many lounges aboard the Enterprise, albeit the most popular owing to the view.
-Crusher was promoted(as per dialogue)
-The Klingon was Kurn's cousin Larry.
Regarding Worf's uniform and baldric, he was made acting Security Chief after Yar died with only 3 episodes left in season 1. He was obviously made permanent Security Chief, hence the uniform change. The baldric could have been his choice to change color and metal.
"The Child" took place on about Stardate 42073, which is probably a month or so into the year. The Enterprise could have been in dock getting some upgrades and renovations, like those Bridge touches and opening Ten Forward. Picard obviously knew Guinan from before, so he found a way to get her on board at the same time. Geordi probably applied for Chief Engineer before the new season, and since we did see him working there several times in season 1, not a stretch to say he was being tested by Picard to see if he was ready. I think his actions in "The Arsenal of Freedom" convinced Picard of his command abilities, because being a department of a major area like Engineering required good leadership skills.
"The Child" took place on about Stardate 42073, which is probably a month or so into the year. The Enterprise could have been in dock getting some upgrades and renovations, like those Bridge touches and opening Ten Forward. Picard obviously knew Guinan from before, so he found a way to get her on board at the same time. Geordi probably applied for Chief Engineer before the new season, and since we did see him working there several times in season 1, not a stretch to say he was being tested by Picard to see if he was ready. I think his actions in "The Arsenal of Freedom" convinced Picard of his command abilities, because being a department of a major area like Engineering required good leadership skills.
Individually, yes, of course, but my point is that they all happened at once, which gives away the artificiality of the between-seasons retooling.
This. About a year of so into 1701-D's time since commissioning. A perfect time to have been pulled into a major Starbase for (what I believe) the Navy calls a "Post-Shakedown Availability". Tweaks to systems (and the Bridge - "Hey we thinks this might work better if we change...") can be made for any problems have cropped up since the ship was launched, perfect time for crew rotations, promotions, etc. As for Ten Forward - we don't know it wasn't already there during season one and we just didn't get to see it, but that could have been done a this time as well coinciding with Guinan's arrival.
^Of course all that's easy enough to explain (although it would be silly to try to justify Worf's forehead change as an actual in-universe event). But it's also worth stepping outside the fiction and looking at the creative process. Like how the first season of a show is like a first draft, and once the creators have the chance to pause between seasons, review, and reassess, they often make a number of changes once they go into the second season. So there are a lot of shows where you see retooling to a greater or lesser degree after the first season. TOS had this too, with the upgrade of McCoy to a main-title regular and the addition of Chekov as a supporting player, some upgrades to the bridge (like Sulu's gooseneck viewer and the new "Condition Alert" sign), expansions to the sickbay and engineering sets, a generally more polished look and style, etc.
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Why do people never run into walls on the holodeck? They say that it "uses the space well," but you can only go so far in one room.
"Treadmill" force fields in the floor, according to the TNG Tech Manual. Also, if you walk away from someone else who stands still, the holodeck generates false images to make it look to both of you like you're getting further apart when you're actually still close together.
Christopher, I'm not disputing that there were production changes between season 1 and 2. It's obvious, plus I already knew about the producer issues and such. I'm just saying it can be easily explained in universe, as well.
And not everything HAS to be explained in universe. There's enough for people to figure out. Scifi fans are among the smartest people around.
And not everything HAS to be explained in universe. There's enough for people to figure out. Scifi fans are among the smartest people around.
Of course it can. But that was never the issue. I was talking about Worf's forehead change and how silly it is to try to justify it in-universe. I was saying that, in addition to the obvious absurdity of trying to explain it as some kind of real physiological change, there's the added coincidence of it happening at the exact same time as all those other changes. Some things are just too artificial to be worth justifying in-story. If you try too hard to stretch logic and credibility to make up excuses for them, all you do is call attention to how nonsensical they are and it works against the goal of increasing plausibility. So it's best to be selective, to develop the judgment to know which changes are worth explaining in-story and which just lead you down a counterproductive rabbit hole of increasingly ridiculous rationalizations.
Worf's forehead(and nose) changes the most between s1 and 2, but then changes very gradually and just becomes more defined until the end of DS9. It's not like they weren't being cognizant of these things. Worf's hair get a little longer each season. Effort was also put into making Alexander's forehead be similar to Worf's, even "old Alexander," likewise for Kurn.
The same is true for Duras, the bastard son of Duras, Lursa and Betor, and the Duras in Ent(the last one being the most different, but still having the identifying features, to show a progression)
For the other things, it's not like one day it's one way, and the next day it's all changed. There's a break of a few months between seasons. So when we come back in season 2, ep 1, it's like we are seeing the crew and ship after being absent for a while, and might expect some changes.
A bigger issue might be all the things that stay the same season after season, like everyone just staying in their jobs forever, or moving on to a new ship in the films with the same A-team intact.
The same is true for Duras, the bastard son of Duras, Lursa and Betor, and the Duras in Ent(the last one being the most different, but still having the identifying features, to show a progression)
For the other things, it's not like one day it's one way, and the next day it's all changed. There's a break of a few months between seasons. So when we come back in season 2, ep 1, it's like we are seeing the crew and ship after being absent for a while, and might expect some changes.
A bigger issue might be all the things that stay the same season after season, like everyone just staying in their jobs forever, or moving on to a new ship in the films with the same A-team intact.
Well, maybe (since it was Picard's eyes the audience is seeing all this through); Picard got his vision corrected after Season 1 and Worf ALWAYS looked like that
That was basically Roddenberry's explanation for the TMP Klingons -- they always looked like that, but TOS just didn't show them "clearly" enough.
Scifi fans are among the smartest people around.
We're only tricked to believe that.
Simple. In space, there is no up or down technically. So maybe Data just orients based on whatever view he's looking at. After all, no matter which orientation he's seeing it in, it's still the Enterprise, & Data isn't going to have to see it one way instead of the other to recognize that. He's an android after all. You could probably show him a 3D image of the ship & invert it 3 dimensionally, & he'd still recognize it, kind of like Hugh & that I Borg eye piece scene.
Here's mine: Somebody explain to me why there is so little running aboard ship, during crises on TNG? Ship's got minutes left before catastrophe, & our heroes are just trotting down the corridors
Because every deck has their equivalent of a Hall Monitor...
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