Doesn't look like a wrap to me, but... YMMV.
Conspiracy... guy in a skirt?
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Doesn't look like a wrap to me, but... YMMV.
Yeah, but the skant is only controversial on the guys, people just assume its normal on females. As you say there were only ever 'sightings' of male crew members in the skant.
Oh, really? I always heard it was Gene's idea. I dont really care about the demographics though. Turning TNG into dumb action movie crap for the films undoubtedly aided the success of those films, but they were just swill compared to the TV show.
Why is there a guy in a skirt in "Conspiracy"? The Bluegill parasite needs to breathe. They don't always hide in the neck....
I wonder where all that fan mail was coming from? Or maybe kids didn't feel like writing letters to a show saying they hate him? I mean, tv shows didn't have a "write us!" address in their credits like comic books or toylines had. Data was certainly more popular than Wesley among kids (Worf too I'd imagine). Those kind of characters- them, Spock, Odo (and Quark?), Teal'c, are the kind that really seem to draw kids in, not having a kid run around the bridge and engineering. It's the kind of thing people seem to forget when they get older, thus producers adding a child for that demo pull, ignoring the fact another character they created can get that draw. Or maybe they know it but that character appeals to more than kids and they don't want to shoehorn the character into being a "kids' favorite".
Any thread with Helen Noel pics ends up being a great thread. Great episode. I was surprised how they gave a guest star the limelight and have her do things Spock or Kirk would be doing.
This baffled me. I was in the prime demographic for Wesley Crusher as a kid early in TNG's run and I hated him. I found him an annoying, slightly arrogant but more clueless than arrogant dork. And I wasn't a jock or anyone "cool". I look closer to Wesley than anything like that. He seemed like a kid given free reign around the ship to appeal to kids or because the Doctor "knows" the captain. Everyone I knew back in grade school then (my friends and I were all Trek fans) all hated Wesley and found him annoying. Of course, both the earliest Free Willy and 3 Ninjas were aimed at my age group and we found those movies to feel like they were aimed at much younger kids. Maybe because 3 ninja kids seemed like dorks compared to Storm Shadow, TMNT, and Sho Kosugi or whatever his name is...
I wonder where all that fan mail was coming from? Or maybe kids didn't feel like writing letters to a show saying they hate him? I mean, tv shows didn't have a "write us!" address in their credits like comic books or toylines had. Data was certainly more popular than Wesley among kids (Worf too I'd imagine). Those kind of characters- them, Spock, Odo (and Quark?), Teal'c, are the kind that really seem to draw kids in, not having a kid run around the bridge and engineering. It's the kind of thing people seem to forget when they get older, thus producers adding a child for that demo pull, ignoring the fact another character they created can get that draw. Or maybe they know it but that character appeals to more than kids and they don't want to shoehorn the character into being a "kids' favorite".
Any thread with Helen Noel pics ends up being a great thread. Great episode. I was surprised how they gave a guest star the limelight and have her do things Spock or Kirk would be doing.
Maybe the fan mail came from girls? According to Star Trek Office archivist Richard Arnold at the time, Wil Wheaton, followed by Brent Spiner, got more fan mail than all the other actors combined.
Although David Gerrold developed the Lesley/Wesley character for the writers' bible, he was very cranky about the direction the character took after Gerrold left. I heard that, one convention season, Gerrold had "Throw Wesley out an airlock" buttons for sale on his signing table.
That's because the episode was originally written as a Janice Rand episode. When Grace Lee Whitney was becoming unreliable due to her several demons, the proposed premise for "Dagger of the Mind" was overhauled and Helen Noel was born. After being released from Whitney's 13-week co-star contract, Rand became Mears in "Galileo Seven". Ms Whitney describes "Dagger" and "Galileo" as "her two least favourite episodes".
Jesus Christ.
The female uniforms in TOS were not "skirts" in the sense that they were hollow pieces of fabric the woman pulled on and then had to wear something underneath to keep modesty.
They were skant. One piece skirt-pant articles of clothing that are worn to give the appearance of a skirt while not having the exposure element. Hell, there's a few times in the TOS series where when a woman sits a certain way you can see her actual underwear peaking through the leg-holes of the skant.
There's no way in hell these were skirts with cloth underwear underneath that happened to be frequently displayed on an 1960s TV series were showing a belly-button would cause the eyes of Mid-Westerners to bleed and seeing a black-woman and white-man kiss would incite race-riots in the South.
In TOS they were skants. Plain and simple. It'd be impossible to even get the skirt and an under-short to fit properly and always look good the one-piece design was the obvious, universal, solution.
I appreciate the picture of Helen Noel, however. I'd forgotten what a lovely beauty she is.
In TNG the male "miniskirt" uniform was likely the same thing a skant designed to protect the modesty of the wearer and still be functional clothing.
The female uniforms in TOS were not "skirts" in the sense that they were hollow pieces of fabric the woman pulled on and then had to wear something underneath to keep modesty.
They were skant. One piece skirt-pant articles of clothing that are worn to give the appearance of a skirt while not having the exposure element. Hell, there's a few times in the TOS series where when a woman sits a certain way you can see her actual underwear peaking through the leg-holes of the skant.
There's no way in hell these were skirts with cloth underwear underneath that happened to be frequently displayed on an 1960s TV series were showing a belly-button would cause the eyes of Mid-Westerners to bleed and seeing a black-woman and white-man kiss would incite race-riots in the South.
In TOS they were skants. Plain and simple. It'd be impossible to even get the skirt and an under-short to fit properly and always look good the one-piece design was the obvious, universal, solution.
I appreciate the picture of Helen Noel, however. I'd forgotten what a lovely beauty she is.
In TNG the male "miniskirt" uniform was likely the same thing a skant designed to protect the modesty of the wearer and still be functional clothing.
It was a skant because it was a skant. The official patterns are marked "skant". As in "skirt/pant".
The equivalent of Isaac, the Doc and Gopher wearing their short, white shorts on "The Love Boat".
I thought they where... quaint.
Though I do find it humorous that they spent years putting Troi in all sorts of outfits. Then they put her in a regular uniform and she looked GREAT.
That, and even as a kid I wanted to strangle Wesley. to my and my other friends (I was a kid when TNG came on) Data was the cool guy. Though I forgave Wesley in one regard, "The Dauphin" had Jamie Hubbard, and that was my first, eyes out OMG she really Hot and she on TV girl.
Though I do find it humorous that they spent years putting Troi in all sorts of outfits. Then they put her in a regular uniform and she looked GREAT.
That, and even as a kid I wanted to strangle Wesley. to my and my other friends (I was a kid when TNG came on) Data was the cool guy. Though I forgave Wesley in one regard, "The Dauphin" had Jamie Hubbard, and that was my first, eyes out OMG she really Hot and she on TV girl.
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