Consensus fan favorite series

[Gotham Central]

^Perhaps DW.

I don't think that DW had conventions. Trek fandom really blossomed more during the interegnum between the end of TOS and TMP.

Plus I think that Doctor Who appealed more to kids than adults so the fandom would not be as sophisticated at the outset.

 

[Mad Mike]

^ We've had this argument already and I clarified and kinda retracted my point, if you'd kept on reading the thread.

No need to be rude. Yes, you sort of backpeddled but yet you restate it here.

I meant it more represents the franchise that is 'Star Trek'
As an overview of the franchise, not caring what came first or what came last, or who many viewers whatever one got, I still say TNG is the core to that "franchise."

I am well aware of what you meant, and you are still wrong.

An awful lot of the things that helped that "franchise" expand beyond TOS The Television Show were introduced in TNG. From the other spin offs to book, comics, games and beyond.

All these things (except for the post-TNG spin-offs obviously) existed long before TNG did. TNG did nothing to help expand the franchise that TOS wasn't doing at least a decade before.

That's just my opinion, and I understand how "TNG IS Star Trek" can be misunderstood and sounds a bit silly

Stating that "TNG *IS* Star Trek" is a broad sweeping generalization that goes far beyond expressing one's personal opinion of importance. On the bright side, however, at least you didn't try to declare such a thing about Voyager.

 

[BigJake]

TNG did nothing to help expand the franchise that TOS wasn't doing at least a decade before.

I don't know about that. Simply by being the first Trek show to have a seven-season run, TNG did a considerable amount to re-popularize and expand the franchise that TOS wasn't doing a decade before, in particular by making possible three more spinoff series (which series we all have our own opinions about, obviously, but they most certainly were expansions of the franchise). The combined extended universe material and literature based on all that content are also expansions of the franchise that are owed to TNG, and there's no denying that by now it comprises -- in terms of sheer mass of content -- the bulk of televised Trek and quite possibly the bulk of written-about Trek (though I'm less sure about the second). I can understand not especially liking that fact if you didn't care for the Bermaga Vision, but it's still the case.

 

[Mad Mike]

TNG did nothing to help expand the franchise that TOS wasn't doing at least a decade before.

I don't know about that. Simply by being the first Trek show to have a seven-season run, TNG did a considerable amount to re-popularize and expand the franchise that TOS wasn't doing a decade before...

I'm certainly not saying that TNG did nothing to expand Trek's popularity, but I stand by what I said. A little over a decade before TNG, TOS was going to be used to launch a new television network via the Phase II series. Then a little movie called Star Wars came out and changed history. It was solely due to the success of four TOS films that TNG was even produced. And all of the conventions, comics, books, toys, and other merchandise were indeed started long before TNG.

TNG was very important, but it in no way eclipses the fact that without TOS we would have nothing to discuss.

 

[BigJake]

A little over a decade before TNG, TOS was going to be used to launch a new television network via the Phase II series.

In point of fact TNG basically was (or started out as) an adjusted version of Phase II -- something I never realized until I actually got to read the treatments of Ph.II, thank you Internets!

 

[Mad Mike]

A little over a decade before TNG, TOS was going to be used to launch a new television network via the Phase II series.

In point of fact TNG basically was (or started out as) an adjusted version of Phase II -- something I never realized until I actually got to read the treatments of Ph.II, thank you Internets!

You are correct sir. A very valid point indeed.

 

[MacLeod]

^Perhaps DW.

I don't think that DW had conventions. Trek fandom really blossomed more during the interegnum between the end of TOS and TMP.

Plus I think that Doctor Who appealed more to kids than adults so the fandom would not be as sophisticated at the outset.

I believe the first DW convention was in 1977 as opposed to the first ST convention in 1972 (i believe). And sure whilst it might have been marketed towards kids, given it's viewing figures (in the UK) it was aimed at the family audiance. However I was merely pointing out that a show which pre-dates ST, has conventions, spin-offs etc...

 

[2takesfrakes]

I feel I am in concensus with the fans when it comes to wanting more STAR TREK. Unfortunately, at the end of the day, STAR TREK is a business and the numbers just weren't there, for a long time, even though the fans always seemed to be. When J.J. Abrams returned the franchise to splendor, in movie form, at least, it seemed to be the flood gates to all kinds of new STAR TREK product, when the first reboot took off. Waiting years between sequels just doesn't satiate my appetite for new TREK. And, most disappointing of all, fan films vary from embarassingly bad to completely unwatchable. With today's technology, movie-making of broadcast quality is in the hands of every man and yet ... it seems impossible to reproduce STAR TREK to the standards Paramount/CBS have presented us with, over the years. In essence, I feel as though I am going through STAR TREK withdrawl ...

 

[BigJake]

I'm actually quite impressed at the production values that some fan films of our era have started to achieve, although obviously productions where everybody's working for free are never going to be able to match professional product.

 

[Ethros]

^ We've had this argument already and I clarified and kinda retracted my point, if you'd kept on reading the thread.

No need to be rude. Yes, you sort of backpeddled but yet you restate it here.

I was in a bad mood that day so yeah I admit there was a hit on rudeness when I wrote that so apologies for that...

I am well aware of what you meant, and you are still wrong.

I do however think saying that is equally as rude, to flatly say 'you are wrong.'

I'm not wrong, and neither are you. They're just both opinions.



But yeah whatever, I don't even care about this anymore.