Beyond is the first reboot Trek movie I'd happily watch an extended cut of.
Spoilers Concerning Krall's back story
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Beyond is the first reboot Trek movie I'd happily watch an extended cut of.
I would have liked some deleted scenes restored in the first two movies as well, but Beyond could be three hours long and I wouldn't mind.
I just want to second this!
Seriously. Starfleet needs to figure out why they get batshit crazy captains (and admirals).
His motivation just didn't do it for me. I'm like REALLY? THAT'S why you want to destroy the Federation? Eh.
from what I heard there were scenes depectiting more Jaylah's backstory and of the Swarm soldiers.
yeah they need to figure something out.
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I agree with the idea he should have saved the day in the end. This would have played into the theme of "home" and finding one's place.
I thought whole regression into Edison was supposed to symbolize him reclaiming his humanity, like peeling away the layers of alien skin and technology until he gets to the root, So that, in one final fleeting act, he becomes the one thing he's always been: an Earth forces officer. (Or Starfleet officer, but I never understood whether MACOs were supposed to be apart of Starfleet or their own division.)
I thought whole regression into Edison was supposed to symbolize him reclaiming his humanity, like peeling away the layers of alien skin and technology until he gets to the root, So that, in one final fleeting act, he becomes the one thing he's always been: an Earth forces officer. (Or Starfleet officer, but I never understood whether MACOs were supposed to be apart of Starfleet or their own division.)
Me too ... the look on his face made it clear that he had second thoughts, and I think I would have preferred if he had sacrificed himself in order to save the Yorktown base.
It's called being out in deep space alone, or with little support around you. Even a trained captain probably wouldn't last very long out there if stranded under such conditions. Most people have no idea how it would be like.
Did anyone figure out why the name Krall?
I just googled it and here are a couple if the search results
The king of synonyms to cool, krall is used to designate something that is so awesome, tight, or sick, that no other words do it justice.
From Czech král "king". It referred to one connected in some way with a king's household or one who played the part of a king in a pageant or play.
Both those word origins say a lot about how the character sees himself, if this is where he got the name from.
I just googled it and here are a couple if the search results
The king of synonyms to cool, krall is used to designate something that is so awesome, tight, or sick, that no other words do it justice.
From Czech král "king". It referred to one connected in some way with a king's household or one who played the part of a king in a pageant or play.
Both those word origins say a lot about how the character sees himself, if this is where he got the name from.
I wonder if the Yorktown starbase commander's speech is giving us a clue...all starship commanders start to get to a point after a while in deep space, with the responsibility of command in frontier space where they might have very broad authority/responsibility. A little dose of "absolute power" that whittles away at a commander's psyche, perhaps. An individual's personal history and experiences have an impact: Kirk had the inspiration of his father's sacrifice; whereas Krall saw a soldier's reality, and survival of the fittest was very real to him. I got the impression that Kirk was being tested a little with the moment where he himself could have gone down the path of Krall, Ron Tracy and Garth of Izar. He lost his ship, and we don't know what he might have done to that alien that led them into a trap. Without Chekov as a reminder of the family/crew he can still save, could Kirk have started to take his first steps in become the next crazy Captain, merging with an alien biosphere or life-cycle to misunderstand and misuse it, and in the end changing into something monstrous?
well at least he didn't build a wall.
Krall/Edison as a character definitely could have benefited from the movie being slightly longer and actually addressing his background and motivations in greater depth in an earlier quieter scene than doing it as a third act twist in the middle of an action scene.
I felt the same way a lot of you did. Krall's motives seemed too flimsy and weak but after seeing the movie a second time, I've changed my opinion. What he's going through and what he's doing about it makes perfect sense.
He hated the enemy and he's just not going to let it go. He didn't want to change or give up what made him who he was. An attitude like that can drive someone to do a lot of damage. Nothing flimsy about it.
He hated the enemy and he's just not going to let it go. He didn't want to change or give up what made him who he was. An attitude like that can drive someone to do a lot of damage. Nothing flimsy about it.
Funny you should mention that. I thought about Trump and what he might be going through as well.
Power doesn't corrupt, it simply allows people to be who they really are. In short, Edison was always like that.
Not to get to deep into continuity but how does his timeline work? They stated that the Franklin was the first Warp 4 ship, which means it predated the NX-01 Enterprise.
Also he didn't become the Captain until the MACO program was phased out so clearly the Franklin was around a good long while before he became captain.
He also mentioned being involved in the "Xindi War" which doesn't quite make sense as the NX-01 was really the only ship to have contact with the Xindi before making peace with them. So maybe he served on the NX-01 as a MACO during that mission?
But he also mentioned being involved in the Romulan war which took place after the NX-01's Xindi Mission. So here how I see it:
-The Franklin was commissioned
-Several years later the NX-01 Enterprise was commissioned and their mission began.
-the Enterprise was tasked with finding the Xindi and Edison came on board as a MACO
-After that mission was successful Edison continued his career as a MACO which led to his involvement in the Romulan War
-the war concludes and the Federation was founded (not that the two events are necessarily related)
-the MACO program is disbanded
-Edison is given the rank of captain and command of a really, really old ship (the Franklin)
-the Franklin get sucked into a wormhole and blah blah blah, this whole party starts
Is that accurate? Feedback is welcome
Also he didn't become the Captain until the MACO program was phased out so clearly the Franklin was around a good long while before he became captain.
He also mentioned being involved in the "Xindi War" which doesn't quite make sense as the NX-01 was really the only ship to have contact with the Xindi before making peace with them. So maybe he served on the NX-01 as a MACO during that mission?
But he also mentioned being involved in the Romulan war which took place after the NX-01's Xindi Mission. So here how I see it:
-The Franklin was commissioned
-Several years later the NX-01 Enterprise was commissioned and their mission began.
-the Enterprise was tasked with finding the Xindi and Edison came on board as a MACO
-After that mission was successful Edison continued his career as a MACO which led to his involvement in the Romulan War
-the war concludes and the Federation was founded (not that the two events are necessarily related)
-the MACO program is disbanded
-Edison is given the rank of captain and command of a really, really old ship (the Franklin)
-the Franklin get sucked into a wormhole and blah blah blah, this whole party starts
Is that accurate? Feedback is welcome
That works for the most part. Also, it's never said he directly fought against the Xindi but he does reference their attack on Earth. He probably lost someone in the attack and that's what motivates his anger towards them and towards their later acceptance into the Federation.
I suspect this is where Simon Pegg's talk about the Kelvin Timeline being different even before Nero's arrival comes in, and that here the nature of the Xindi conflict was different than what we saw in Enterprise.
Edison's rank at the time the MACOs were disbanded was Major, which makes it clear he was an officer. However, with the exception of Major Hayes, none of the MACOs seen on Enterprise were officers. In fact, aside from Major Hayes and another MACO who was a Sergeant, all the MACOs were Corporals. All of them. Ergo, Edison was not on the NX-01's MACO contingent, at least not in the Prime Universe.
