Concerning Andorians and Tellarites

[Therin of Andor]

However, I still don't understand why Andorians and Tellarites never appeared in the movies.

Ummmm, there were three Andorian Ambassadors (one male, two female) in ST:TMP, and two members of the Enterprise crew. Makeup by Fred Phillips.

Tom Burman put two Andorian admirals in ST IV, including one who was balding, in order to show off the latest advances in slip latex appliance work - no antennae joins needing to be hidden by a wig!

There was also the live-action Cadet Vanda M'Giia in the CD-ROM game, "Starfleet Academy".

http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/2009/10/mov-rogues-gallery.html

There were also two Tellarites in ST IV, both wearing Kazarite robes from TMP.

That they were all relegated to crowd scenes indicates that the directors were perhaps unsure about showing these makeups over longer periods, on actors with lines to deliver.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Assuming that Gaila IS Orion since she has ginger hair...

Orion women aren't permitted to ever put a red rinse through their hair?

I remember reading that John Logan, "Nemesis' screenwriter, wanted there to be Andorians, Tellarites, and even a Gorn at Riker and Troi's wedding in "Nemesis." Why was that idea ended?

Although a promising quote from John Logan, screenwriter of Star Trek Nemesis, went: "We are going to see some of the original series aliens that we haven't seen for a while. I can't go into detail, but I love the Andorians..." [Star Trek Communicator #132], none survived the final draft or cut. According to Picard in an early draft, Riker's bachelor party was attended by "three Andorians, two Tellarites and a Gorn".

The Orion, a Federation delegate ship, was to have been featured, captained by an elderly Andorian named Meelok, who once taught Picard (and Janeway) at the Academy. Picard and Janeway discuss the value of following "the old Andorian".

The final scene of the shooting script appears to include a new female Andorian Ops officer [but not in the final version of Star Trek Nemesis, sigh].

Also, did either race appear in the new movie?

No, but McCoy references Andorian shingles, which make your eyeballs bleed. And the novelization has a blue cadet, who catches McCoy's attention when he enters the shuttle and sets off his rant.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Where was it orginially stated that Humans, Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites were the founding members of the Federation?

I don't mean on-screen. I know that wasn't until ENT: Zero Hour. When was it first introduced in the Expanded Universe?

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Bringing back the legendary Andorians and Tellerites is one thing ENT really got right; they were so mysterious in TOS...

 

[Therin of Andor]

Where was it orginially stated that Humans, Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites were the founding members of the Federation?

I don't mean on-screen. I know that wasn't until ENT: Zero Hour. When was it first introduced in the Expanded Universe?

"Star Trek Starfleet Technical Manual" (Ballantine, 1975) by Franz Joseph gave the names of five star systems which were said to be the founders of the UFP, but he didn't actually assign races to them - although Earth and Alpha Centauri were obvious, of course. 40 Eridani, 61 Cygni and Epsilon Indii were the other three.

The "Star Trek Starfleet Medical Reference Manual" (Ballantine, 1977), by Eileen Palestine and others, used the nomenclature from the Joseph book to give species names to diagrams showing the physiology of Terrans, Vulcans (of 40 Eridani), Tellarites (61 Cygni), Andorians (Epsilon Indii) and Alpha Centaurians.

"Star Trek Maps" (Bantam, 1980) agreed with these references and expanded upon the data.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Bringing back the legendary Andorians and Tellerites is one thing ENT really got right; they were so mysterious in TOS...

Absolutely. I only wish they had given them even more screentime, especially the Tellarites. They're in only nine episodes. And of those nine, they're little more than background characters in six.

Where was it orginially stated that Humans, Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites were the founding members of the Federation?

I don't mean on-screen. I know that wasn't until ENT: Zero Hour. When was it first introduced in the Expanded Universe?

"Star Trek Starfleet Technical Manual" (Ballantine, 1975) by Franz Joseph gave the names of five star systems which were said to be the founders of the UFP, but he didn't actually assign races to them - although Earth and Alpha Centauri were obvious, of course. 40 Eridani, 61 Cygni and Epsilon Indii were the other three.

The "Star Trek Starfleet Medical Reference Manual" (Ballantine, 1977), by Eileen Palestine and others, used the nomenclature from the Joseph book to give species names to diagrams showing the physiology of Terrans, Vulcans (of 40 Eridani), Tellarites (61 Cygni), Andorians (Epsilon Indii) and Alpha Centaurians.

"Star Trek Maps" (Bantam, 1980) agreed with these references and expanded upon the data.

Thanks. I guess I always assumed it was in one of the early novels.

 

[DevilEyes]

Assuming that Gaila IS Orion since she has ginger hair...

Orion women aren't permitted to ever put a red rinse through their hair?

Only Humans and aliens who look almost human (Bajorans, Trill, etc.) are permitted to have more than one natural hair color?

 

[DevilEyes]

What was said above. Plus, whenever they show kids, those have to be human, or near-human like Bajoran, because you can't shoot anything worthwhile with kids if they have to spend two hours in makeup before and one hour after the shot: the limitations on daily shooting time with underage actors are very strict.

Thing is, each spinoff show only had "story capital" for examining one alien species in any sort of depth. Not only would it have been prohibitively expensive to maintain sets and costumes for multiple recurring alien species, it would have become too tedious to write B plots for multiple species or otherwise take them into consideration when juggling our principal heroes.

In TOS, it was the Vulcans, via Spock. In TNG, it was the Klingons, via Worf. In DS9, it was the Bajorans and the Cardassians, because the show had "staying power" in that the characters were stuck with a set number of species, and plenty of sets and costumes were constantly available for two recurring alien species. In VOY, it was the Borg (and, to a degree, the holograms). In ENT, it was the Vulcans again, but luckily, some Andorian action could be slipped in as well. And of course, every show could build on work done by preceding shows, so the Vulcans and Klingons could be used in all the later spinoffs.

Timo Saloniemi

Hm, I don't agree with this. I'd say that TNG developed Romulans to quite an extent over the various episodes, while DS9, in addition to the Bajorans and the Cardassians, also developed Ferengi and its own 3 Dominion races (although a lot more could be done with the Founders, since we rarely saw their homeworld and had just 3 fully developed Founder characters), and continued to focus on the Klingons nearly as much as TNG.

 

[Sci]

no. the only pre-existing Fed races used were the Vulcans and Orion. Assuming that Gaila IS Orion since she has ginger hair...

What, Orions can't have multiple hair colors the way Humans do?