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Computer fans question- active cooling

jefferiestubes8

Commodore
Commodore
Hey guys I have a desktop tower case and am not a gamer.

The width of square fans and the diameter of round ones are usually stated in millimeters; common sizes include 80, 92, 120 and 140 mm. 200, 230, 250mm also I've found here.


My 2004 tower case has 2 rear fans, 1 side fan, 1 front fan (all 80mm), and one 80mm power supply fan and are pretty loud. Inside the case there is a CPU 60mm fan.

I'm thinking I want to upgrade my computer this year including the case and want a quieter computer. I am leaning towards a Intl Ivy Bridge core i7-3770 and a mid-range graphics card as far as energy and heat usage.
Again I am not a gamer.

Since my case is 8 years old and I've read up
Typically square 120mm case and power supply fans are used where cooling requirements are demanding, as for computers used to play games, and for quieter operation at lower speeds, but there also exist 140mm and larger fans;
Would you guys recommend any particular size fans for side, front, back of a tower and what sizes? any particular case?
No I don't need a specialty full-airflow desktop tower case or a case made for noise suppression.
preferable something black and smaller and not that expensive (under $90.). Full ATX sized Motherboard.
 
The most important thing in case cooling is airflow. The size of the fans is meaningless if the air just pools in dead spots. Also the quality of the fan is important. The cheap ones are cheap (like under $5), but they are usually the really loud ones. When you're talking the good ones, the difference in loudness isn't really all that noticeable, especially from a distance. Actually, my old computer has seven (yes seven!) 80mm fans.

When I built a new computer for my dad a few months ago, I was going to reuse the case. But I would have taken everything out, clean it, etc. and he wound up getting one from a guy at work for free. It had three 120mm fans. In the end, it actually was louder than mine was.

Also, the difference in air movement isn't really all that much. You can hold a 80 and a 120 up to your face and see for yourself. Is it there? Yes. Is it noticeable? Not really. And in the end, probably only the difference of 1 or 2 degrees Celsius of ambient temperature.

The cost for quality 80mm fans will run about $10 a piece whereas a quality 120 goes for $15-$20. The difference in price would be better severed going towards a better case. Now if you have the cash to spare, by all means get the bigger fans. Or even just buying one for the exhaust in back is good. As long as there isn't much getting in the way (a ball of wires, four hard drives, etc) 80mm is plenty sufficient for the front intake.

Actually, most cases nowadays come with the option of 2 80mm or 1 120mm fan for the intake and most people choose the two 80mm.

When looking for a case, try and find one that has good wire-routing options. The good ones these days have rubber holes that you can use to route the wires under the motherboard try and back out into the drive carriage. It should also have plenty of easily accessible zip-tie hooks. for grouping wires and tying them down out of the way.

The drive carriage itself should be nice an neat and have some kind of option to easily get all your drives together up and out of the way.

You can also invest in a PSU that has modular wiring--that is having outlets for plugging in only the wires you need. This save you from the inevitable clump of wires that tends to get in the way of everything.

Your ultimate objective is to create a nice clean environment with no obstructions to airflow.

It is possible to achieve the same goal with cheap stuff. I built one for my mom around the same time as my dad's. It was much less robust and the total cost of the case and PSU was under $50. Running the wires was much more painstaking and extremely time consuming, but after 2 hours, a lot of trial and error, I was able to make use of ever nook and cranny I could find. I was still able to keep the ambient around 45C under load.

That's a good number to shoot for. 50 is considered "normal" and 40 is optimal. But as long as your GPU has its own cooling and the memory heat spreaders (and I don't think it's possible to buy sticks without them these days) you should be totally fine.

Also, remember room temperature plays a HUGE part in the case temp, a lot more than most people realize. I know it's trendy for people to put their family computers in their sun rooms or solariums. To me, this is just blatant stupidity.

Now CPU cooling is a horse of a different color. It is much more important and every single degree matters. IMO a good aftermarket CPU cooler is the most important investment when building a new computer. The stock ones are fine for normal office work, but if you plan on doing any multimedia at all (especially gaming) buy one.

If you really want to go crazy you can get one of the hydro-hybrids. They use a radiator/fan combo. That way you get the benefits of hydro cooling without having to worry about installing pumps and hoses and all that. I think they run about $80. I've never used one myself, but a friend just did and she said it wasn't too difficult.

For standard air cooling, the Coolermaster Hyper 212 is current champ. It's not hard to install as long as you follow directions (and there are dozens of YT vids) and it cools like a boss.

If you get one, keep in mind that it's pretty big so double check dimensions of stuff. Though it shouldn't be a problem.

Here, your goal should be 70-75C under load. 80 is considered normal and 90 "okay" and usually 100 is the danger zone. Though with a little work, people can achieve 60 under load which is certainly optimal and will greatly extend the life of the CPU.
 
I use SpeedFan at home. That way the fans aren't running at 100% all the time.

It monitors the case, GPU, & CPU fans and ramps them up when a pre-set temp. is reached.
 
You keep repeating NOT A GAMER and I saw mid range graphics card. Why not buy a PC prebuilt? The computer will be quieter.

It all depends on what you want to use the computer for.
 
You keep repeating NOT A GAMER and I saw mid range graphics card. Why not buy a PC prebuilt? The computer will be quieter.

It all depends on what you want to use the computer for.
I had been posting in the life expectancy for a desktop computer
thread and wanted to ask about computer fans and tower cases here.
copy & paste:
I do Photoshop and some personal video editing and audio editing and multitrack audio mixing. Running multiple apps and windows while working.
I am upgrading from WinXP Pro to Win7 64-bit and will be upgrading all software and 5 versions of Adobe CS Production Premium suite of software (CS2 to CS6).
I have a 8 year old case, optical drives RAM, and 6 year old CPU & MOBO and plan on upgrading.
Looking at Intel Ivy Bridge core i7-3770 ($325.), 8GB RAM,
GPU: NVIDIA Quadro 600 by PNY 1GB DDR3 Profesional Graphics
Board, model: VCQ600-PB ($150.)
[Adobe CS suite uses Nvidia cards specifically due to CUDA cores.]
 
let me back up CorporalClegg here... when building a computer, fans are important, but if you're looking at CPU cooling, which is what the fans are primarily used for, then i'd also look into a reliable heatsync for your processor to back up your fans...

Trust me, you'll definitely notice the difference after installing a decent heatsync against your fans...

M
 
Yeah, larger passive cooling heatsinks really make the most of your airflow.

Getting a case with a blow hole on the top is worth looking into.
But definately go with a case that uses larger fans. 120mm or above. They run slower than smaller fans. They run slower/quieter while moving the same amount of air.

Also a speed controller that mounts in a front drive bay of your case is a good investment. You can adjust the speeds of each seperate fan, depending on the workload.

Currently have single 80mm fans in front and back, a 120mm blowhole, and huge Zalman flower cooler on my processor. My temps rarely go over 10 degrees above ambient. Fairly quiet too.
 
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Thanks guys. I do plan on getting a new case and some 120mm fans. I need to research the speed controllers a little.
If the case has a top fan even better.
Looks like power supply unit on the bottom of the case is the way to go.
Probably a $100. Case but if i can get one for $50. And add my own choice of fans probably better.
 
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