"Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English."

[gastrof]

Unless I missed that line, it was very foolishly left out of the TOSR version of B&C.

Shameful.

A brief line that said so much.

It established that the Enterprise crew commonly encountered different languages on the planets they visited (suggesting the constant use of the universal translator).

It also explained why the confusion over the meaning of "Children of the Sun"....ooops! Make that "Children of the Son".

A different language wouldn't have, necessarily, had those two words sound alike. On the B&C world, those words DID sound alike. Simple explanation? Somehow, English developed on that planet.

Take the line out, and so much is lost.

SHAME ON THE CBS EDITORS!!! SHAME ON THEM!

Very inattentive.

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On screen is canon*, books are interesting. Learn it, live by it.


*Except for when you're watching an episode edited by CBS....then all bets are off.

 

[Mallory]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

It was a syndication cut. I'm sure it will be on the DVD version the same as it was before TOS-R.

 

[gastrof]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

Oh, I know.

But I also know I first became aware of the line when watching the show in syndication.

The line could easilly have been included, and it being left out was careless and inattentive.

CBS's people should be locked in a room with an angry mother Horta.

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On screen is canon*, books are interesting. Learn it, live by it.

*Except when...oh...never mind....

 

[Vagabond]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

Somehow, English developed on that planet.

There's no somehow about it.

Has it never struck you as odd (read as: meaningful) how parallel Earths kept being discovered; all in different stages of evolution and periods of alternate history -- some older! some younger?

 

[gastrof]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

Yes.

Yes it has.

I'm about to start eating oatmeal raisin cookies.

Actually, there were only two Earth parallels I can think of. Miri's world, and this one.

In all other cases, the translator was why we heard English.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

Omega Whatever from "The Omega Glory."

 

[A beaker full of death]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

It's no the first time syndication cuts eliminate something important. In fact, they usually do.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

Vagabond said:
Has it never struck you as odd (read as: meaningful) how parallel Earths kept being discovered; all in different stages of evolution and periods of alternate history -- some older! some younger?

Nah, it just struck me as cliche and funny after a while. There was no reason for it other than production realities - Roddenberry stated explicitly in his very first written proposal for "Star Trek" that the "parallel worlds" rationale would be used to enable the show to recycle existing costumes and props.

There was no deeper meaning than that.

 

[payndz201]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

Funny how Kirk kept running across all those exact duplicates of Earth, but Picard, Sisko and Janeway never found any (that I can remember, anyway). Either Kirk was incredibly lucky with his parallel planet finding...

...or it was a bloody silly and cheesy idea that was thankfully abandoned in the later shows to stop viewers from rolling their eyes. (Of all the parallel Earth stories, 'A Piece Of The Action' was the only one that I'd consider remotely good - and it was basically a comedy!)

 

[Charlie Kelly]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

Syndication cuts are never perfect, they’re always going to cut something cut somebody considers important. The problem is the episodes where never made knowing they would have eight minuets cut off in the future. Every scene and every line was important back when they wrote the episodes.

Charlie

 

[UssGlenn]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

I figure the Roman Planet was a result of tampering by the same entities that impersonated gods on earth, as we learned from Apollo. It would account for the 300 year lagtime. The fewer examples of true Parallel development the better.

Also, If parallel earths are the result of tampering it would make sense that the further away from earth you got the fewer you would find.

 

[Nebusj]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

payndz201 said:
(Of all the parallel Earth stories, 'A Piece Of The Action' was the only one that I'd consider remotely good - and it was basically a comedy!)

Well, and, it was critical to the plot that it be a ``parallel Earth'', or at least that the Iotians have their culture remade into something derivative of a past human culture. It wasn't an accident.

As for the original notion that the Enterprise just went to planets that quite explicitly had biologies and cultures similar to those of Earth -- well, they only used Earth-duplicate worlds twice, in ``Miri'' and in ``Bread and Circuses''.

That there should be any Earth duplicates at all is not really likely, but if you have got three million worlds to choose from -- as the original vague notions of a galaxy-spanning range for the Enterprise suggest -- you can probably turn up something reasonably like something humans already did.

I know there are going to be people grumbling about how many alien worlds there are that have people who look just like humans, but I don't agree that it shows any particular sophistication in later shows to have the aliens look like humans with silly forehead bumps. That's particularly since the Enterprise was with rare exception avoiding the non-humanoid species that are explicitly said to make up the vast majority of the Galaxy's population.

(Also, the notion of going out seeking planets that have parallels to Earth culture is ... oddly a not overused one in science fiction circles. It was something the original series did that was distinctly its own, really.)

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

Nebusj said:...they only used Earth-duplicate worlds twice, in ``Miri'' and in ``Bread and Circuses''..

And "The Omega Glory."

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

Funny how they were all "stuck" in the 1960s.

 

[Avilos]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

payndz201 said:


...or it was a bloody silly and cheesy idea that was thankfully abandoned in the later shows to stop viewers from rolling their eyes.

Well it could be argued that these type of "Parallel Earth" stories evolved into something else on the later shows. All the altered timeline and also all the numerous Holodec episodes, etc. While the "scientific" rationale was different these were all still excuses to use Earth based costumes, props, and locations.

 

[Nebusj]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

UWC Defiance said:

Nebusj said:...they only used Earth-duplicate worlds twice, in ``Miri'' and in ``Bread and Circuses''..

And "The Omega Glory."

... I included that mistake deliberately so as not to offend the Gods with the perfection of my post.

 

[jayrath]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

For a provocative explanation of all the parallel earth stories, see the Shatnerverse novel, "Preserver" -- my all-time favorite ST novel.

It sets forth the idea that it was no accident; that all are connected.

 

[SiddFinch1]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

jayrath said:
For a provocative explanation of all the parallel earth stories, see the Shatnerverse novel, "Preserver" -- my all-time favorite ST novel.

It sets forth the idea that it was no accident; that all are connected.

The book does come up with an interesting idea.. I can live with it but they should have tried to address it on the show,,,then again, its probably better that they didnt

 

[Neopeius]

Re: "Complete Earth parallel...the language here is English.

I liked the idea that the galaxy was shattered into a kaleidoscope of sorts, with a multitude of Earths duplicated throughout space. This would explain the preponderance of Humanoids.