"Quantity has a quality all its own", esp when quantity is money.
CNN declares PS3 "A Sinking Ship"
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"Quantity has a quality all its own", esp when quantity is money.
That's not entirely true. In fact, Nintendo was one of the pioneers of the razor-and-razor-blades model for video games. Both the NES and SNES were sold at ~$20-32 loss margins when first released (largely due to volatile memory and microprocessor pricing at the time), and the Nintendo 64 was sold at a significant loss for virtually its entire lifespan (NEC's MIPS chip, the RDRAM and the Reality Co-Processor were all exorbitantly priced). Granted, none of those were in the realm of Microsoft's rather ridiculous $125 loss per unit for the first two years of the original Xbox, but Nintendo was by no means apart from the pack at that point.
It was only after that time, when Nintendo's finances were beginning to go into the tank due to Nintendo 64 losses and the plateau and decline of Game Boy Color sales, that Nintendo redeployed its development teams and began designing the GameCube to sell at a minimal profit per unit. The Wii was designed in much the same way, as with the DS (which was originally a quiet side project done at the bidding of Hiroshi Yamauchi, who wanted a Nintendo-branded PDA).
Hence the removal of the words "of Approval" from the "Official Nintendo Seal" on all the games on their systems
Yes and no. Originally, the Nintendo Seal of Quality was appended to games for two reasons: One, to assure customers that the game was tested and guaranteed to work on Nintendo hardware. The second stemmed from the whole Atari / Tengen fiasco. It was a great little idea that Howard Lincoln had, really.
However, given that the Seal was amended in ... was it 2002 or 2003? I forget. Anyway, it was in the early parts of this decade, long before the "shovelware" you're talking about. There's no doubt, of course, that Nintendo wanted to absolve itself of being somehow perceived as guaranteeing the "quality" of a game, but given that the amendment was done during the GameCube days, it probably wasn't as dire a situation as now.
I've completely lost track of Square-Enix's asinine Final Fantasy numbering system and have no clue if you're referring to a different game, but FF XIII will be released on both the PS3 and the 360.
^^ Crystal Chronicles, tho, will have iterations on several platforms, including Wii and DS
There will be, at least, 3 FF XIII games...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabula_Nova_Crystallis_Final_Fantasy_XIII
As a consumer, of course that's all that should matter to you personally... but looking at the sales numbers, this does not seem to be reflected by the market as a whole, at least in the US.
I think this article just goes to show how dangerous it is for the mainstream media to dabble in videogame coverage. Just a few days ago Time put out an article about PlayStation Home's launch that stated there were "a scant 200,000 PS3's" in the US versus Microsoft's 20 million.
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It seems to me that its a TAD premature to call the PS3 a sinking ship. From what I gather, the system has been making gains over this past year. It most certainly isnt going as well as Sony would like though. While the PS3 is technically an excellent system (my fears about it being a crappily produced piece of shit like the PS2 have been put to rest), it just had shitty marketing and lacks the exclusives sony once had. Hell, even for things like JRPGs, a genre Sony had locked, the 360 now has a massive edge in with great games like Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesparia and timed exclusives like Eternal Sonata (though i do think this one came out for PS3 recently).
At the end of the day I image the PS3 will be Sony's answer to the Gamecube. A good system with good games, but just not enough quality titles to preform as well as expected. Hopefully Sony learns from this generation and keeps their egos in check the next time they make a system
At the end of the day I image the PS3 will be Sony's answer to the Gamecube. A good system with good games, but just not enough quality titles to preform as well as expected. Hopefully Sony learns from this generation and keeps their egos in check the next time they make a system
CaptainHawk1
Commodore
This seems rather silly to me. I looked at the sales numbers of units sold and the 360 is neck and neck with the PS3 overall and the PS3 is $150 - $200 more, so do the math. In actual retail sales dollars, Sony is kicking their ass.
The Wii is an incredibly overrated system and it's not a current gen console despite what the gushers believe. Other than being interactive I've seen nothing that distinguishes it from a gamecube. I thought about getting one and then I test drove it for a weekend and it bored the shit out of me. So what that it's cheap. So what that the 360 is cheap. Not everyone can afford a Ferrari, either.
Maybe, and this just a thought for all of you bashers who don't have a PS3, it just wasn't made for you. Maybe it was made for those of us who have a little bit more disposable income and that's why they don't need to drop the price because we can afford to support it.
I don't recall any rumors of its demise despite stupid articles like this and the subsequent bashing by people who don't have it or know anything about firsthand.
Don't worry about PS3, it'll be fine.
-Shawn
The Wii is an incredibly overrated system and it's not a current gen console despite what the gushers believe. Other than being interactive I've seen nothing that distinguishes it from a gamecube. I thought about getting one and then I test drove it for a weekend and it bored the shit out of me. So what that it's cheap. So what that the 360 is cheap. Not everyone can afford a Ferrari, either.
Maybe, and this just a thought for all of you bashers who don't have a PS3, it just wasn't made for you. Maybe it was made for those of us who have a little bit more disposable income and that's why they don't need to drop the price because we can afford to support it.
I don't recall any rumors of its demise despite stupid articles like this and the subsequent bashing by people who don't have it or know anything about firsthand.
Don't worry about PS3, it'll be fine.
-Shawn
I'm with you, except my interest in Final Fantasy largely expired after the 32-bit era. I find it insufferably dense, and becoming more bloated and saccharine by the numeral. I mean, FF12 essentially played itself, so I can't wait to see what Squenix are planning for FF13. Actually, I can.
I'll take the Tales of... or Shin Megami Tensei franchises over this dreck any day of the week - to say nothing of Valkyrie Profile and Star Ocean, or even Atelier Iris for cryin' out loud
LTD sales of the PS3 are about 6 million whereas the 360 is a tad over 12 million. As previously shown, the 360 is currently selling double the PS3 weekly during the holiday season. So no, they are not neck and neck. You can find that data here.
The PS3 is also sold at a much larger loss due to all the bells and whistles it includes. Sony isnt exactly kicking anyones ass right now. Thats not to say the 360 is doing much better with the billion dollar RROD issue.
As overrated as it might be, there is one thing that is undeniable: the Wii/DS combo seems to be an unstoppable force. Nintendo was on the brink of collapse and they found a way to not only surivive this generation but actualy thrive.
Dangerous thinking. The reason the PS2 was the best selling console of all time was because it was something EVERYONE could get their hands on. SUre it may be like a "ferrari" but ferrari isnt the number one car manufacturer in the world. That would be Toyota. The company that puts out a good product for a good price is the one that comes out on top. As amazing as the PS3 is, most people can not afford it so it will never get the same exclusives the PS2 once had and as such the system itself will suffer.
At least we agree on this much, the PS3 is here to stay. Sony will NEVER let the PS3 die and I highly doubt they will pull out of the gaming arena either. I DO hope however that they lose the hubris and I think that will be the best thing to come out of the PS3. Rather than make the dream machine that is loaded with features that most people will never use, they should focus on the essentials and make an excellent GAME machine rather than a computer-liteI don't recall any rumors of its demise despite stupid articles like this and the subsequent bashing by people who don't have it or know anything about firsthand.
Don't worry about PS3, it'll be fine.
-Shawn
Rii
Rear Admiral
Because it's technologically behind the times? By that definition PS3 and X360 aren't current-gen machines either.
Well yes Nintendo is making money for every console sound when MS and Sony looses money.
However you are comparing apples and oranges, Nintendo is a gaming company only. Sony is a mess of a company, and MS is computers. So yes Nintendo needs to make more money from gaming than the other companies.