clone wars cartoon and continuity-are they ignoring it?

[sonak]

Apologies if the answer to this is supposed to be common knowledge, as I'm not a dedicated viewer of the SW Clone Wars show, I'm more of an off-and-on viewer.


But... I've seen a few episodes, and they've had Anakin and Obi-Wan interacting with Qui-Gon Jinn's ghost, and there's another padawan with Obi and Anakin, I'm not sure if she's apprenticed to Obi or Anakin.


Aren't these rather major violations of continuity? Are later episodes going to take care of this with a mind-wipe of one or more of the characters, like C-3PO at the end of ROTS?


Or is Lucas giving the writers thumbs-up to write whatever stories they want, and to ignore continuity with the prequels?

(this isn't a bashing thread, I'm just curious what route they're going, whether there's going to be a big reset button at the end or the two continuities just won't line up)

 

[AviTrek]

The padwan is Anakin's. So no contradiction there. Unclear what they will do with her by the end of the show.

The Qui-Gon they're talking to is a projection of the force planet and not the real Qui-Gon that Obi-Wan speaks to at the end of ROTS.

 

[Mr Light]

Well... one could argue they're not DIRECTLY contradicting things but they indirectly are. The Karen Travis book series established a deep Mandalorian culture immersed in war, but Clone Wars showed them to be pacifist monarchists. Uh, actually I don't know if that one can be explained

There's other things that can be explained, like Darth Maul being a Zabrak but turning out to be from Dathomir. The wank explanation? There's a colony of Zabraks that live on Dathomir.

Ventress also had a non-Dathomir backstory in the comics, but they did briefly cover that in the show before saying she went to Dathomir, so they managed to explain that one away.

You'll notice that throughout the entire series Anakin has never met Grievous; because in the opening of ROTS they meet for the first time.

The big remaining question of course is what happens to Ashoka and why isn't she mentioned in ROTS

 

[Admiral_Young]

We're kind of already talking about this in the Clone Wars season three thread...and the question of Ahsoka's fate is on everyone's mind concerning the end of TCW. It is something that Filoni refuses to really address for good reason. Whenever someone brings that up he's gets all bashful and sly. LOL.

 

[Takeru]

Well... one could argue they're not DIRECTLY contradicting things but they indirectly are. The Karen Travis book series established a deep Mandalorian culture immersed in war, but Clone Wars showed them to be pacifist monarchists. Uh, actually I don't know if that one can be explained

Does it have to be explained? I thought the rule was that everytime there's a contradiction the books are wrong.

 

[Whofan]

The show mainly ignores the books and comics which gave us a very different Clone Wars-Anakin is promoted to Knight later, he had no padawan and his characterization is more in line with that in the films than the more likeable character from Clone Wars. Also Jedi didn't wear that armor all the time.


Also the books/comics are for a less broader audience than the TV show (more for the fans, in other words), so they present a somewhat more mature view of the war in some ways (Notably the Mace Windu solo novel Shatterpoint and the Jaabim storyline from the comics).


Granted there were continuity problems even before the CG series-The events chronicled in the original cell-animated series are not very compatible with those in the novels, either.

 

[sonak]

OK, didn't know that the Qui-Gon ghost in the show isn't the real one, so that helps.


Still think Anakin having an apprentice makes no sense.

Isn't it one knight to one apprentice? So why do Ani and Obi spend a lot of their time together in this show and in ROTS as if they're master and apprentice when they're just equals in the jedi order?


and how does that earlier animated clone wars cartoon fit in? Has that been discarded from continuity?

 

[Admiral_Young]

Anakin is a Jedi Knight in ROTS. He's free to work alone and with whom he wants. He has continued to work with Obi-Wan out of friendship. Same deal in the series. As for Ahsoka, it makes perfect sense if you know the reason why Anakin was assigned her. In the Clone Wars movie it is explained that the Council assigned Ahsoka to Anakin in hopes that it would help him with his attachment issues which they'd become well aware of. It is also implied in the film that Obi-Wan set it up with the help of Yoda to trick Anakin into taking a Padawan knowing that he would never select one himself.

 

[Reverend]

One thing I have to wonder at is why Kenobi doesn't have a new Padawan of his own.

 

[Admiral_Young]

This I don't think has been addressed in the series and is a very good question. I would surmise that he probably doesn't feel ready to take on a new Padawan yet, and the war is pretty distracting. In context of time Anakin has been raised to Knighthood pretty recently so Obi-Wan isn't required to take on another Padawan Learner.

 

[Reverend]

It's been a while since I saw it (ad only watched it the once) but wasn't there a bit in the pilot movie where Kenobi thought he was the one getting Ahsoka as an apprentice?

On top of that (and perhaps this is just me) the way Kenobi talked about Vader in ANH as being "a pupil of mine before he turned to evil" always left me with the impression that there were others. As for the war being a distraction, it hardly seems to hinder any other master and apprentice pairing we've seen. Quite the opposite.

 

[AviTrek]

and how does that earlier animated clone wars cartoon fit in? Has that been discarded from continuity?

Correct, the earlier animated show is being ignored.

 

[Admiral_Young]

@Reverend...as I said Anakin was under the impression that Obi-Wan was getting a new Padawan assigned and thought Ahsoka was his when she arrived in the movie, but it was really a trick by Obi-Wan to set Anakin up with her because he and the Council knew he would never select one of his own.

Also incorrect regarding the Animated cartoon...it's not totally being ignored. If it were Anakin would not have his scar, General Grevious and Ventres would not be in the current series either. Are elements being ignored? Sure. Filoni said early on that they're going to be respectful as possible to the animated cartoon.

 

[SD70ACe]

As far as Qui-Gon's ghost is concerned, both Obi-Wan and Anakin were not aware that it was merely a "Force projection." In fact, it was never stated in the show that it was a Force projection at all! Even stranger is that neither Jedi seemed all that surprised when Qui-Gon's ghost appeared, which causes the aforementioned problems with Episode III. At the end of that film, Obi-Wan was shocked and overjoyed that communicating with his long-dead master would be possible. Clone Wars shows that not only had he done it already, but that it didn't seem out of place.

 

[sonak]

OK, so why does it seem like most other Jedi groupings are master and padawan, yet there are three in this group?

Qui-Gon and Obi went on missions together pre-TPM and TPM, and Ani and Obi did post-TPM-through AOTC.


Wouldn't it be hard for Anakin to get the one-on-one training time with his apprentice if Obi's always there? Isn't three a crowd for Jedi training?

it's a little weird for him to graduate to knight, get an apprentice, and yet keep hanging around with his old master.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

OK, so why does it seem like most other Jedi groupings are master and padawan, yet there are three in this group?

It's not a group. Ahsoka is Anakin's padawan, so they're always together, alongside with their clone officer, Captain Rex. And from time to time, they work with another group, Obi-Wan and Commander Cody, because they work well together. If you actually watched the series, you'd see that they meet other people too.

 

[Admiral_Young]

There's a war going on dude.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

With the Mortis arc, I'm pretty sure they are ignoring all continuity in favor of telling their own kick-ass story. Since I'm neutral to hostile regarding SW continuity, it's all fine by me.

One of the biggest discrepancies is allowing Anakin to see for himself the effects of joining the Dark Side, which apparently is just flat-out mind control (something that has never before been established, but jibes with the way Dark Siders act - there's no internal tension that you might expect from people who are like drug addicts - they have totally drunk the koolade).

There is no way anyone with an ounce of sense would join the Dark Side to accomplish anything. Anakin now knows he will simply cease to be himself. The only motive for joining the Dark Side is if you just want what the Dark Side wants - total power - and you don't mind losing yourself to the Dark Side because other than power lust, you have no self to lose.

And of course there's the total rewrite on Anakin - he's heroic and likable, not a stupid surly punk - assuming the PT portrayal of him being a stupid surly punk was ever intentional.

 

[C.E. Evans]

There's actually an upcoming comic book mini-series set about 25 years before Episode I which deals with Qui-Gon and the padawan he had prior to Obi-Wan. It could be that when padawans become knights, they simply move on--some take on padawans of their own while others do not. It's possible that by the time of Episode III, Ahsoka is no longer Anakin's padawan but a full-fledged Jedi Knight herself and is now commanding troops of her own somewhere far away possibly.

And even though Anakin is no longer Obi-Wan's padawan, he is still his friend and they seem to work together as a team. Jedi can have friends--it's just when friendship turns to obsessive attachment that it becomes a problem, IMO...

 

[Admiral_Young]

Dan Wallace's The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force deals with the question of what happens with a Jedi Master has successfully trained a Padawan.