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CLONE WARS -- a negative overreaction?

c) We know how this all ends anyway.


And that's probably the main and deciding flaw.

We know no matter how dire the situation is that Anakin, Obi Wan and any character appearing in SW3 will make it which will suck out any suspense right down the drain.

I know that we already know that any main hero will probably make it (with few exceptions) but secondary heroes were always fair game.

I don't understand why Lucas is not trying to broaded the universe or at least explore other characters in that time frame and only have the main heroes pop in from time to time.
 
c) We know how this all ends anyway.


And that's probably the main and deciding flaw.

We know no matter how dire the situation is that Anakin, Obi Wan and any character appearing in SW3 will make it which will suck out any suspense right down the drain.

I know that we already know that any main hero will probably make it (with few exceptions) but secondary heroes were always fair game.

I don't understand why Lucas is not trying to broaded the universe or at least explore other characters in that time frame and only have the main heroes pop in from time to time.

This was true of the prequel movies as well but it didn't stop them from making hundreds of millions of dollars.
 
I liked the gay Hutt. Though it wasn't a very flattering portrayal, and I fear that gay Hutts everywhere may protest this movie, just as retards are currently protesting Tropic Thunder.

On a more ominous note, I think this movie reveals just how tiny the budget for the live action Star Wars series is going to be. It's going to make those Ewok telefilms look like Lawrence of Arabia.

i had already forgotten about that in the lead up to this cartoon thing. I can only imagine what it'll be like. oh boy.
 
I find it odd that people like Samuel L. Jackson and Christopher Lee were coaxed back for this kind of schlock. Even if it was voice only.
 
Wow, the more reviews it gets, the LOWER the score becomes on RT. It's at 19% now, down from 22%.
 
I find it odd that people like Samuel L. Jackson and Christopher Lee were coaxed back for this kind of schlock. Even if it was voice only.

I know. Yet they can't get Frank Oz--a man who makes his living providing voices for things--to do Yoda? :confused:
 
I remember reading Hayden Christensen said that he was interested in providing Anakin's voice, as well, but they got someone else instead. That's just downright weird. The only thing I can think is that Dooku and Windu were only going to be appearing in the pilot and rare guest shots, whereas Yoda, Anakin, and the other established characters were going to be regulars and would've been more of a commitment for the actors.
 
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=58391

Matt Lanter takes on the voice of Anakin Skywalker, a role played by Hayden Christensen in the live-action movies. James Arnold Taylor voices Obi-Wan Kenobi, played as a young man by Ewan McGregor in the other films. Tom Kane voices Yoda, taking over from Frank Oz.

The reasons? Star Wars: The Clone Wars started out as a television film and the first installment of the upcoming animated TV series. The producers told a news conference at Lucasfilm Animation's Big Rock Ranch in Marin County, Calif., on Aug. 4 that the actors needed to be available. And they also needed to work for less money.

"When we started the project, it was, as George said, initially a television series, and we needed to be able to work at a pace [that] was pretty rapid," producer Catherine Winder said. "And the way that we write this is we rewrite, we change it, and we need to be able to access our actors pretty regularly. So it was hard to get all the actors that would be off on set, because this pace is pretty intense."

"You need people available every week," Lucas, Clone Wars's executive producer, added. "And you can't really afford, you know, multimillion-dollar actors to do a television series. ... The license fee on your average television series is about $200,000. You know, it's nothing. So those guys make more during their coffee break."

Jackson, Lee and Daniels signed on after the decision was made to produce the first bit of The Clone Wars as a full-fledged feature film, Lucas added. "We went back to the [original] actors and we said, 'OK.' We told them we were doing the TV series, just so they knew, as a courtesy. But then we said, 'Look, we're doing a feature. Would you like to do the voice in the feature?' And some of them said yes. Some of them were off doing [other] features. Because this all was, again, done fairly rapidly. It wasn't like we said, 'OK, next June we're going to do this.' It was like, 'Could you come in in a month, in four weeks, and do this? Could we have two days?'"

Lucas confessed that big-name actors would have contributed more than the current ones mainly for their press value. "They simply use them--they have two days in the studio or three days in the studio, and then they have, like, three weeks doing press," Lucas said. "So they're mainly paid for the press stuff, they're not really paid for doing the movie."

That should explain some of the voices used in the movie.
 
I don't understand why everyone thinks it so awful... considering :

It's for kids.

And quite frankly, after The Phantom Menace, if you didn't like what you saw, that should have been the hint to stop watching.

The fact that the new Clone Wars series is far below everyone's expectations is considerably less annoying than the fact that their expectations were so high to begin with.

I haven't seen it yet... and my expectations are low. So I'll take it for what it's worth... a money grab aimed at kids is perfectly fine with me, and if I want high drama and witty dialog I'll be looking elsewhere. And so should all of the mouthy critics spewing the same tired sentiment since 1997.
 
c) We know how this all ends anyway.


And that's probably the main and deciding flaw.

We know no matter how dire the situation is that Anakin, Obi Wan and any character appearing in SW3 will make it which will suck out any suspense right down the drain.

I know that we already know that any main hero will probably make it (with few exceptions) but secondary heroes were always fair game.

I don't understand why Lucas is not trying to broaded the universe or at least explore other characters in that time frame and only have the main heroes pop in from time to time.

This was true of the prequel movies as well but it didn't stop them from making hundreds of millions of dollars.

It's true of almost every adaptation from books and comics as well.
 
I don't understand why everyone thinks it so awful... considering :

It's for kids.

And quite frankly, after The Phantom Menace, if you didn't like what you saw, that should have been the hint to stop watching.

The fact that the new Clone Wars series is far below everyone's expectations is considerably less annoying than the fact that their expectations were so high to begin with.

I haven't seen it yet... and my expectations are low. So I'll take it for what it's worth... a money grab aimed at kids is perfectly fine with me, and if I want high drama and witty dialog I'll be looking elsewhere. And so should all of the mouthy critics spewing the same tired sentiment since 1997.

You have got to read the reviews from Aint it Cool News. They truly behaved as if Lucas came by and took a dump on their lawn. And I will go on record as saying that with the exception of the Maul vs. Obi Wan vs. Qui Gon battle in Episode 1, CLONE WARS is much better than PHANTOM MENACE.

CBW
 
My die hard Star Wars fan friend who would probably sit through 45 hours of Han Solo checking his e-mail said the movie sucked.... so I'm going to hold off until the DVDs.
 
A couple of my buddies were dumb enough to go see this and now I am listening to them whine about how they "wasted their money on this crap." I told them not to see it, but they didnt listen to me. Oh well, at least I have some cash for lunch tomorrow at work and they dont.
 
I don't understand why everyone thinks it so awful... considering :

It's for kids.

And quite frankly, after The Phantom Menace, if you didn't like what you saw, that should have been the hint to stop watching.

The fact that the new Clone Wars series is far below everyone's expectations is considerably less annoying than the fact that their expectations were so high to begin with.

I haven't seen it yet... and my expectations are low. So I'll take it for what it's worth... a money grab aimed at kids is perfectly fine with me, and if I want high drama and witty dialog I'll be looking elsewhere. And so should all of the mouthy critics spewing the same tired sentiment since 1997.

It is you and people like you that are the problem. You and your ilk are always willing to make excuses for George Lucas and you refuse to hold him to any kind of standard. You tend to think that whatever he craps out on celluloid is gold and that he can do no wrong. It is because of people like you that we got three shitty TNG movies. It's because of people like you that we got that crappy Voyager series and that terrible Enterprise series.

Just because a movie is aimed at children does not mean that it cannot be made in such a way that it is enjoyable to adults as well. The Clone Wars missed the mark on this one. Yet, here you are, muttering to yourself "We're all very pleased".
 
I don't understand why everyone thinks it so awful... considering :

It's for kids.

And quite frankly, after The Phantom Menace, if you didn't like what you saw, that should have been the hint to stop watching.

The fact that the new Clone Wars series is far below everyone's expectations is considerably less annoying than the fact that their expectations were so high to begin with.

I haven't seen it yet... and my expectations are low. So I'll take it for what it's worth... a money grab aimed at kids is perfectly fine with me, and if I want high drama and witty dialog I'll be looking elsewhere. And so should all of the mouthy critics spewing the same tired sentiment since 1997.

It is you and people like you that are the problem. You and your ilk are always willing to make excuses for George Lucas and you refuse to hold him to any kind of standard. You tend to think that whatever he craps out on celluloid is gold and that he can do no wrong. It is because of people like you that we got three shitty TNG movies. It's because of people like you that we got that crappy Voyager series and that terrible Enterprise series.

Just because a movie is aimed at children does not mean that it cannot be made in such a way that it is enjoyable to adults as well. The Clone Wars missed the mark on this one. Yet, here you are, muttering to yourself "We're all very pleased".
Who do you think you are? Your own bias against Lucas is causing you to see things in the above post that simply aren't there. If you can't handle the fact that different people have different opinions then your experience on this board wil be very upsetting for you.
 
I don't understand why everyone thinks it so awful... considering :

It's for kids.

And quite frankly, after The Phantom Menace, if you didn't like what you saw, that should have been the hint to stop watching.

The fact that the new Clone Wars series is far below everyone's expectations is considerably less annoying than the fact that their expectations were so high to begin with.

I haven't seen it yet... and my expectations are low. So I'll take it for what it's worth... a money grab aimed at kids is perfectly fine with me, and if I want high drama and witty dialog I'll be looking elsewhere. And so should all of the mouthy critics spewing the same tired sentiment since 1997.

It is you and people like you that are the problem. You and your ilk are always willing to make excuses for George Lucas and you refuse to hold him to any kind of standard. You tend to think that whatever he craps out on celluloid is gold and that he can do no wrong. It is because of people like you that we got three shitty TNG movies. It's because of people like you that we got that crappy Voyager series and that terrible Enterprise series.

Just because a movie is aimed at children does not mean that it cannot be made in such a way that it is enjoyable to adults as well. The Clone Wars missed the mark on this one. Yet, here you are, muttering to yourself "We're all very pleased".
Who do you think you are? Your own bias against Lucas is causing you to see things in the above post that simply aren't there. If you can't handle the fact that different people have different opinions then your experience on this board wil be very upsetting for you.

I don't have a bias against Lucas at all. I want him to succeed and I want him to produce movies that we can be proud of. Yet, time and gain, he resorts to pratfalls and fart jokes. I'm not biased against him, because bias would indicate that I have no reason to detest what he has been up to. Quite the contrary. I have given him every opportunity to redeem himself and still I encounter nothing more that stilted dialogue, bad acting and bodily function humor. That's not bias. That's a lack of respect. And he has earned it.

I, for one, refuse to go see any Star Wars movie that fails to sell me on itself in the trailers. No longer does Star Wars get a free pass from me. And, from the looks of how The Clone Wars has flopped this weekend, several of the fans are with me.

The War for Star Wars has begun.
 
Yet, time and gain, he resorts to pratfalls and fart jokes. I'm not biased against him, because bias would indicate that I have no reason to detest what he has been up to. Quite the contrary. I have given him every opportunity to redeem himself and still I encounter nothing more that stilted dialogue, bad acting and bodily function humor. That's not bias. That's a lack of respect. And he has earned it.

Time and again? How many fart jokes were there in the Star Wars movies? I can only count one and even the original movies had a few pratfalls. :wtf:
 
I'm mostly just a casual SWs fan, and no, I don't think the Prequels sucked. But reading the review in the local paper was enough to make me steer clear. Very few original actors? No John Williams? No opening scroll?! Really annoying new sidekick? Ack! I think I'll pass. Which sucks because I enjoy CG when its not talking animals.

So I guess I can do an Aliens 2 and 3 on this one? If I never see it, I can pretend it doesn't exist?
 
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