Spoilers Civil War (2024) grade and discussion thread

[Gaith]

Racial politics did not begin immediately. At the beginning there was no particular discrimination against Jews and other minorities. Some Jews had also become part of the fascist party at birth and played important roles before the promulgation of the racial laws.

That's an interesting detail specific to Mussolini's fascist movement. But, given how divisive the politics concerning immigration by non-ethnic Italians are in Italy today, what do you think are the odds that a contemporary Italian fascist movement would treat all ethnicities equally, and that a fascist leader would enthusiastically promote social welfare policies for all lower-class Italian citizens, regardless of when they attained citizenship?

Then if we want to play on semantics, for me fascism is fascism, that is to say the far right movement and ideology founded by Mussolini.

I'd call that specifically historical (as in, century-old) Italian fascism, which was developed before the discovery of DNA's double-helix structure, much less before the common person had any idea what a "computer" might be, and which therefore has rather limited relevance to fascistic movements today, but, okay.

 

[Starkers]

Finally went to see it today and I liked it a lot, it's a slow burn but I think that's intentional, they always say war is 90% calm and 10% insanity.

One gunshot genuinely caught me off guard and made me jump.

Some scary scenes, and damn for someone who comes across as a really nice guy, Jesse Plemons plays bad-guys very well. Dunst is great, in fact the whole case it great.

The final act is incredible. Have to say that

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it did seem a tad obvious that Lee was doomed.

The decision not to get political was spot on for me, there was never any indication as to which side anyone was on, and even if we knew what side they were we knew very little about the sides themselves.

I had one thing that bugged me.

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Having the other journos show up just so Plemons could off them seemed like a cheap trick.

8/10

 

[Jedi Marso]

I'd call that specifically historical (as in, century-old) Italian fascism, which was developed before the discovery of DNA's double-helix structure, much less before the common person had any idea what a "computer" might be, and which therefore has rather limited relevance to fascistic movements today, but, okay.

Ho-lee crap. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Where were you when Bill Clinton needed a spin-doctor?

 

[The Wormhole]

Figured this was worth giving the thread a bump:

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[TimeIsAPredator]

From what I've read it sounds like the movie is more focused on the how the war effects the characters than on the politics of the war, so people going in expect some kind of political commentary are going to be very disappointed.

Ya I am. I'll still probably watch the movie at some stage but I have always been drawn to things like 1984 or The Handmaids Tale specifically for the political world building rather than the personal stories.

On the other side I do like a good photojournalism or conflict journalism movie.

 

[Jayson1]

I loved the movie. I felt for the characters and I like how the made the motives behind the war as vague. I think the message is not just that war is hell, for both sides of the conflict. But war itself makes you have to embrace immoral behavior. World War II was stopped by dropping nukes on Japan. Ever military embraces the concept of collateral damage as a necessary evil that can't be avoided in war. Lots of terrible things were done in the cold war by America and others in order fight against the Soviet Union who were bad guys. Yet those same bad guys also played a big role in stopping Hitler.

 

[Phily B]

I saw it a week ago.

The script felt like something from that late 90s and early 00s West Wing era. TV movie quality stuff.

 

[Jayson1]

Sounding like something written by Aaron Sorkin doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.

 

[BillJ]

5 total votes. I think that says everything that needs to be said about this particular film.

 

[Phily B]

Sounding like something written by Aaron Sorkin doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.

Talking more about the content. Middle of the road, centrist liberal stuff that doesn't work anymore and is essentially "war is bad".

 

[Jayson1]

Why does that not work anymore? War is bad. Not sure how that message is a wrong one. Did we really all become so desensitized to war because of a decade of Iraq and Afghanistan conflict.