Chuck -2x15 -"Chuck vs. The Beefcake"-Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS>
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Sarah's shot him down enough times to send that message in the first season. And then Chuck actually did set her down, after she had changed her mind somewhat, to tell her that they had to be honest and realize they had no future together, because The CIA was going to ship her off as soon as the mission was over because he listened to King Cockblock. Which he was stupid to do in the first place, as much trouble as Bryce had given him. Of course, now he's changed his mind yet again. They always do.
If Sarah had any brains she'd ask to be reassigned to get away from this drama. Of course, then she'd never see him again.
Alot of fans are pissed off about it, but a girls gotta get laid sometime. She's not gonna get any action out of Chuck unless he can get her to commit. But for now, that ship has sailed. So he has no one to blame but himself. He had multiple chances, and threw them all away out of self doubt. He went after someone else twice now because he couldn't get anything out of her. Turnabout is fair play.
It makes sense she's into geeks though. She was one. And Bryce was one. Although a little bit more high-functioning then Chuck(who's still a fairly high-functioning geek).
At this point she's really his only option because of the cover. Ditto with her. Fans are really tired of them dragging it out. They want the hook up over and done with so the show can evolve. It's clear they want to hold it off until the finale, but have run out of reasons to keep them apart so they're recycling storylines. If and when they do get together, keep them together I say. Writting a stable couple would be extremely different and unique. Enough of the angst. Only Joss Whedon is skilled at keeping that going long term. Don't turn it into yet another Ross and Rachel dramafest where they're always breaking up and then getting back together. Because that shit gets annoying too. Luckily the writers have hinted that they want to avoid "The Moonlighting Syndrome".
Above Average for me - very entertaining as usual.
Not the most original episode perhaps, but Chuck isn't the show that surprises at every turn. They have covered almost every angle of the Chuck-Sarah relationship several times over, so this was nothing new. They just do it so well.
Also - Count me amongst those who find Jeff and Lester hilarious... More Jeffster, please!
Not the most original episode perhaps, but Chuck isn't the show that surprises at every turn. They have covered almost every angle of the Chuck-Sarah relationship several times over, so this was nothing new. They just do it so well.
Also - Count me amongst those who find Jeff and Lester hilarious... More Jeffster, please!
But evolve into what? The UST between Chuck and Sarah provides the conflict. Remove that and the only conflict left is the fact that Chuck will be killed when the Intersect is rebuilt.
Well there might be a season's worth of story there - when push comes to shove, Casey won't pull the trigger - then the three of them need to go into hiding, because what option do they have? That would be a major shift because Buy More would need to be dropped (Ellie and Awesome, too) and the focus becomes Chuck, Sarah and Casey as fugitives.
But after a season or so, that plotline wears out its welcome, too. Maybe that's all the time the show has on the meter. The show could get really radical and, say, continue with the Intersect out of Chuck's head and him playing a different sort of role.
I don't know that this show is radical enough to even drop Buy More much less make more fundamental changes. They had a chance when Sarah shot the Fulcrum guy in cold blood, to make a fundamental change (driving a permanent wedge between Chuck and Sarah based on the fact that he can't accept her lifestyle/values) but then they just swept that under the rug, signalling that they want the show to be more fluffy and not the type of show that evolves beyond its core premise.
All of the above is puuuuuure speculation. I have no idea where they're going with this show (but my guess is that they're not going very far beyond their established premise).
Urgh, don't remind me. *stupid-pointless-3D-episode*
I could see some ways for that to work. Maybe have Sarah and Chuck move in together, but also with Morgan and Anna. They get a deal on a big house (with secret NSA base underneath), so the two couples go in on the deal together.
I could see that. Good idea.
Another idea someone suggested is that Sarah and Casey are put in charge of the LA Anti-Fulcrum unit and Chuck is made one of their employees. But still has to work at The Buy More as a cover. That way he can actually go out with Sarah and not have it compromise them.
Chuck really ought to be getting some field agent training if they keep insisting on sending him on missions. Maybe send him on some training supposedly by Buy More corporate for a few weeks, and put him through field agent basic training.
But that's such a crucial appeal of the show - that he is *not* a trained agent.
A trained Chuck on real spy assignments would just make it into any other spy show. No thanks.
A trained Chuck on real spy assignments would just make it into any other spy show. No thanks.
Well, the previews for next week intimate that "Bartowski's got a gun."
--Ted
--Ted
On one hand, yes that is what makes the character cool. Aside from his geek-hipness of course. He's very Doctor Whoish in that he fights evil with science, his intellect, his knowledge, and his charm rather then violence. And, on occasion, pure luck. He's a pacifist by nature who only got into this spy game because he's being forced to. It's fun seeing an intellectual own all the badasses of the world.
But on the other hand, The Dagman is right in that it's only logical that they would at least give him basic training if they made him a feild agent. It made sense in the first season why they wouldn't because they were planning on putting a cap in his ass. Still, it would be nice to see him not scream like a girl everytime dangers occurs. You'd think he'd be used to it. Maybe even throw a punch or two if the situation warrants it.
If Sarah and Chuck's romantic issues are resolved, then where does the core conflict come from? Just having them go on missions together isn't conflicty enough to sustain interest. It will seem like the air has gone out of the show compared with what we've seen before.
Not conflicty enough either. Who cares if Chuck is working for Sarah and Casey? Then it's just defeat-the-baddie-of-the-week, and that's the least interesting part of the show.
If they want to resolve the Chuck and Sarah issues, they need to replace that conflict with something even bigger. Having the whole government chasing Chuck with Sarah and Casey off the reservation with him is the only thing I can think of that would be big enough. Otherwise, they're ripping out the heart of the show and not replacing it with anything.
Bingo. The core of the character is that Chuck is a nerd and when he triumphs in the end, as he must, it must be through his superior nerdiness. For him to drop that angle and adopt superspyness instead would be a severe betrayal of the character by the writers, and I think these writers have a good enough handle on their character that they would know not to do that. They aren't Heroes writers after all.
Chuck can become more competent as a spy, but his true competency must always be his nerdiness.
There's nothing wrong with Chucks uneasy mannerisms that alcoholism couldn't cure.
He's just falling through an endless unnecessary stream of apologies when ever he confronts some silly bill hurdle, I just wish that he would man up, punch Biff and rescue Lorraine and become class president.
And if he played Dungeons and dragons or did live role playing, then he's a trained spy.
He's just falling through an endless unnecessary stream of apologies when ever he confronts some silly bill hurdle, I just wish that he would man up, punch Biff and rescue Lorraine and become class president.
And if he played Dungeons and dragons or did live role playing, then he's a trained spy.
See.. I think they could have Chuck with another female interest and still keep the premise of the show. I mean you could show what it does to Sarah and how Chuck handles it. Really quite liking the girl but finding out that something is missing. Even if it wa only like 6-10 peiode arc that would be fine but now it's the same old recycled stuff wek after week. Skillful writers hould still be able to keep the Chuck Sarah dynamic without making either look bad. Personally I think Chuck is a complete moron for still liking sarah. She's been a supreme bitch to him on numerous occassions.
Did we like that Bilson girl form the OC? She got right under Chucks skin last year.
Though, what if...
Chuck gets a new girlfriend who casey is desperately in love with and covetting and doesn't know what he should do between keeping his emotions bottled to Killing Chuck?
Same dynamic, different players.
It's like when they reprogrammed the love slave programming on the robot head on Lexx when he stopped infatuating on the girl and starting mooning after he boy.
Though, what if...
Chuck gets a new girlfriend who casey is desperately in love with and covetting and doesn't know what he should do between keeping his emotions bottled to Killing Chuck?
Same dynamic, different players.
It's like when they reprogrammed the love slave programming on the robot head on Lexx when he stopped infatuating on the girl and starting mooning after he boy.
