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Chris Pine as Jack Ryan

Then again, Ford managed to balance Han Solo and Indiana Jones at the same time.

Alex

They were produced by the same guy, though - as I'm sure you know. You'd imagine he'd have been reasonably accommodating, schedule-wise. Plus Raiders was made in the hiatus between Empire and Jedi, which was the last of the original SW movies. After it, there was no scope for the two franchises to collide.
 
Then again, Ford managed to balance Han Solo and Indiana Jones at the same time.

Alex

They were produced by the same guy, though - as I'm sure you know. You'd imagine he'd have been reasonably accommodating, schedule-wise. Plus Raiders was made in the hiatus between Empire and Jedi, which was the last of the original SW movies. After it, there was no scope for the two franchises to collide.
The parallel here would be that the one guy(Lucas/Skywalker Productions) his is own studio. Likewise Star Trek and Jack Ryan are at the same studio(Paramount) so I've no doubt they will be equally accomodating schedule-wise.
 
How is this a reboot ?

Don't Jack Ryan movies change the actor almost every time ? It's not like it's a first.
And from what I understood the plot is not known yet.
 
As a non-fan of the novels, but someone who enjoyed all of the movies bar Patriot Games (though it was at least better than the book), I do find the complaining about the adaptations not being faithful to the books interesting. I mean, many of the books were written in the 1980s and 1990s. Surely fans don't really want the movie versions to keep to that technology and established history etc. Would they have wanted PG to retain the toe-curlingly excruciating scene where Ryan tells Prince Charles how much Princess Di loves him, for example?

The Bourne movies have taken little more than the titles and basic plots and turned them into the best action movies of the past decade. Fidelity to the source material isn't always necessary (though I still find the idea of an original Ryan movie an odd one).
 
As a non-fan of the novels, but someone who enjoyed all of the movies bar Patriot Games (though it was at least better than the book), I do find the complaining about the adaptations not being faithful to the books interesting. I mean, many of the books were written in the 1980s and 1990s. Surely fans don't really want the movie versions to keep to that technology and established history etc. Would they have wanted PG to retain the toe-curlingly excruciating scene where Ryan tells Prince Charles how much Princess Di loves him, for example?

How about keeping Prince Charles as a more compelling target for the ULA than the Queen's twelfth cousin twice removed? Or how 'bout keeping Islamic Fundamentalists the villains of Sum of All Fears since today that would be, you know, timely? And the technology that would be depicted today is mostly follow-ons from what was depicted in the books. It's not like Clancy wrote about U-Boats versus S-Boats and Charles Lockwood's days as an ensign.

The Bourne movies have taken little more than the titles and basic plots and turned them into the best action movies of the past decade. Fidelity to the source material isn't always necessary

But many times it's preferable.
 
The cast of Brett Ratner's "The Godfather" remake gathers for a photo shoot:

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The Ford movies were okay, but the only great film of the bunch was Red October, which is one of my favorite movies.

Alec Baldwin made a good Ryan, and Hunt was the only one of the movies that faithfully adapted the book it was based on.
 
As a non-fan of the novels, but someone who enjoyed all of the movies bar Patriot Games (though it was at least better than the book), I do find the complaining about the adaptations not being faithful to the books interesting. I mean, many of the books were written in the 1980s and 1990s. Surely fans don't really want the movie versions to keep to that technology and established history etc. Would they have wanted PG to retain the toe-curlingly excruciating scene where Ryan tells Prince Charles how much Princess Di loves him, for example?

How about keeping Prince Charles as a more compelling target for the ULA than the Queen's twelfth cousin twice removed? Or how 'bout keeping Islamic Fundamentalists the villains of Sum of All Fears since today that would be, you know, timely? And the technology that would be depicted today is mostly follow-ons from what was depicted in the books. It's not like Clancy wrote about U-Boats versus S-Boats and Charles Lockwood's days as an ensign.

The Bourne movies have taken little more than the titles and basic plots and turned them into the best action movies of the past decade. Fidelity to the source material isn't always necessary

But many times it's preferable.

You'll note that I said criticism of the changes in adaptations was 'interesting', not that it was wrong, or silly. I'm genuinely curious about fans views, not dismissive.

Yeah, Charlie might have been a more likely or high-profile target than the minor Royal in PG (though IIRC the character was supposed to be a diplomat or something too, and thus more of a political target for the movie's splinter group). I also take your point about the Islamic Fundamentalists - it was more the novels with the USSR as the foes I was referring to. Would fans prefer period pieces set during the 1980s or modern day adaptations taking the basic ideas and premises? And anyway, wasn't the novel of SOAF set in the 1980s? Would you have wanted the movie version set in that era?

To give an example, I'm a big fan of the novels of Stephen Hunter, which have been set from around the 1940s to recent years, following the saga of father and son Earl and Bob Lee Swagger. Earl was a WWII vet and later a sherriff in the 1950s, while Bob Lee was in Vietnam. Only one of the novels was filmed, Point of Impact (filmed as the Mark Wahlberg movie Shooter), with the action being updated to post-Nam to modern day. I'd like to see faithful adaptations of the Hunter novels in chronological order, but its not going to happen. I'd settle for modern set versions - as long as they're better than the disappointing Shooter!

The Hunter novels would be easier to do faithfully than the Clancy ones, as they don't change history the same way - we know that there were never the sort of high-profile clashes or wars between East and West that there have been in the Clancy novels. That's part of the problem with writing topical novels like he does - within months, events will render your topical novel outdated. I can see why movie-makers don't want to take that risk. Remember when the Russians left Afghanistan during the making of Rambo III?!
 
Alec Baldwin made a good Ryan, and Hunt was the only one of the movies that faithfully adapted the book it was based on.
I love the movie, and thought it was one of the few that actually improved on the novel, because it tightened things up considerably. In the book, Ryan (for reasons I can't recall offhand) spends some time on a British carrier before joining the US fleet, and there are more Russian subs that come in and out of the chase, which in the movie are combined into Tupolev's Alfa.

I also liked Arec Baaardwin as Ryan. Ford, for some reason, never seemed quite right in the role. Maybe because he has so much hero baggage that it's hard to accept him as a mid-level drone who has trouble getting people to listen to him.

As for a new series/reboot, to be honest they'd have to diverge from the novels, because everything Clancey's written post-Rainbow Six has been absolutely awful, and even R6 was borderline. If they filmed, say, The Bear And The Dragon as-is, it would be five hours long, two of them taken up with rants about abortion, another two about flat-rate taxation, thirty minutes with Jack Ryan refusing to give up smoking, twenty minutes mocking Chinese men for having tiny penises, eight minutes discussing the perversions of Chinese political leaders, and finally two minutes of the USAF turkey-shooting every tank in China for zero losses. :D
 
You'll note that I said criticism of the changes in adaptations was 'interesting', not that it was wrong, or silly. I'm genuinely curious about fans views, not dismissive.

Fair enough.

Yeah, Charlie might have been a more likely or high-profile target than the minor Royal in PG (though IIRC the character was supposed to be a diplomat or something too, and thus more of a political target for the movie's splinter group).

The Heir to the Throne of England would also be a political target. The only reason England still has a royal family is because of politics.

I also take your point about the Islamic Fundamentalists - it was more the novels with the USSR as the foes I was referring to. Would fans prefer period pieces set during the 1980s or modern day adaptations taking the basic ideas and premises?

I can't speak for other fans. I, personally, think that if its the only way they'll do movies that are faithful to the books, then break out the A-team vids and pass out the jellybeans and absolutely set the movies in the eighties! I would love to see The Cardinal of the Kremlin - one of my favorites and the real sequel to Red October - made into a movie, eighties setting and all!

And anyway, wasn't the novel of SOAF set in the 1980s?

No, the early nineties.

Clancy tends to set the stories of his books a few years ahead of when they'd actually come out, mainly so he can use weapon systems that may still be in the development stages at the time he's writing. The previous book, Clear and Present Danger, was published in 1991, but depicted a Bush 41-like president facing a tough election year (1992), the main reason for the military excursion against drug lords. Also, the Russian carrier Kusnetzov was depicted in SOAF as being active in the Russian fleet, something that didn't happen in real life until well into the 90's. Rainbow Six was published in '97 or '98, but the target of the bad guys in that was the 2000 Olympics, and Rainbow didn't have to wait two years for it to happen.

Would you have wanted the movie version set in that era?

My point is you can modernize the setting all you like and still be faithful to the book because all the elements are still around. There are cordial but strained relations between the US and Russia right now, as there were in the book. The Russians were not the enemy in the book. They were scapegoats for the real bad guys, whose goal was to force the US and Russia into a nuclear exchange and thus eliminate their two greatest obstacles to their own power. This scenario would be a real life Jihadist's wet dream. You have a Democrat administration that would be utterly lost if the Super Bowl was nuked (and yes, I did vote for McCain. Deal with it.). So keep the jihadists as the bad guys, keep the potential US-Russia conflict, and keep Jack Ryan as the DDCI (which makes the movie the same sequel to CAPD that the book was) and it doesn't matter if it's set in 1994 or 2010. It still works!

To give an example, I'm a big fan of the novels of Stephen Hunter, which have been set from around the 1940s to recent years, following the saga of father and son Earl and Bob Lee Swagger. Earl was a WWII vet and later a sherriff in the 1950s, while Bob Lee was in Vietnam. Only one of the novels was filmed, Point of Impact (filmed as the Mark Wahlberg movie Shooter), with the action being updated to post-Nam to modern day. I'd like to see faithful adaptations of the Hunter novels in chronological order, but its not going to happen. I'd settle for modern set versions - as long as they're better than the disappointing Shooter!

Some things I don't mind being adapted (BSG). Others I want done faithfully (Tom Cruise should be whipped for what he did to Mission:Impossible).

The Hunter novels would be easier to do faithfully than the Clancy ones, as they don't change history the same way - we know that there were never the sort of high-profile clashes or wars between East and West that there have been in the Clancy novels. That's part of the problem with writing topical novels like he does - within months, events will render your topical novel outdated. I can see why movie-makers don't want to take that risk. Remember when the Russians left Afghanistan during the making of Rambo III?!

This is nonsense. By that logic, a show like The West Wing, a series that depicts an eight-year presidential term in a time frame where it couldn't possibly have happened, would never have gotten renewed the first year, but it lasted about as long as the presidency it supposedly documented. It managed to be topical too, but it bent history way more than Clancy's novels ever did. This series is proof that if you make the stories compelling enough, nobody's really going to turn off the TV (or walk out of the theater) saying, "Obviously I can't watch this because nothing like this ever happened or can ever happen."

Movies are movies. Not history lessons. Tom Clancy spent most of his writing career on the best-sellers list. I'm pretty sure if you made movies that accurately depicted the stories that put him there, finding an audience for them wouldn't be a problem, even if that audience went to theaters listening to Cyndi Lauper tapes on their walkmans. ;)
 
^ Yeah, I take most of your points but I think it's fair to say that the West Wing's figures sort of dipped once there was a Republican President elected in real life and it seemed to become ever more divergent from the real world. OTOH, I suspect a lot of liberals were watching it out of a sort of wishful thinking as much as anything else! But I suppose to use another example, 24 is still very successful with a series of POTUSes nothing like the real world.


I'm not saying that people won't watch movies featuring events that they know can't have happened. I just wonder if the near-future 'this might happen' topicalityof Clancy's novels will necessarily be as successful if they're dealing instead with a recent past 'this might have happened' alternate reality.

To return to a tv example, in DS9, when the Eugenics Wars were referenced, their setting was changed from the 1990s (as per the original series) to the late 21st century, because the writers feared that audiences might go 'Huh? What wars?' There might - and all I can say is 'might' - be the same response if you did faithful and contemporaneous adaptations of the Clancy books.

And you're entitled to vote for whoever you want. Just as long as you know he lost - deal with that! ;-)
 
in DS9, when the Eugenics Wars were referenced, their setting was changed from the 1990s (as per the original series) to the late 21st century

No, they weren't.

That line was a typo - a mistake. RDM, who wrote it, admitted as much. It doesn't "really" exist. It can, and will, be ignored. (Indeed, the ENT Augments arc did ignore that line, as they retain the 1992-1996 date for the E-wars.) Linky

Specifically:
This is my personal screw-up. When I was writing that speech, I was thinking about Khan and somehow his dialog from "Wrath" starting floating through my brain: "On Earth... 200 years ago... I was a Prince..." The number 200 just stuck in my head and I put it in the script without making the necessary adjustment for the fact that "Wrath" took place almost a hundred years prior to "Dr. Bashir." I wrote it, I get the blame.
 
^Really? I knew RDM had said it was a mistake, but I understood him to mean by that that he shouldn't have done it, that he should just have stuck with the original timeline. A creative mistake rather than an inaccuracy, if you know what I mean.

I was nearly sure I'd seen an interview where he referred to not wanting to confuse the audience, but I'll take your word (or rather your link) for it.
 
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