Was messing around with some concept art to try and emulate the "traditional" Klingon shape into the current Discovery designs. Please forgive my 3D paint skills btw.
"Choose Your Pain" Klingon ship (Visual spoilers?)
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VERY nice - I miss old Klingon style though the new look is great, maybe they would have been better using a different species to the Klingons so that they could go wild on the designs.Was messing around with some concept art to try and emulate the "traditional" Klingon shape into the current Discovery designs. Please forgive my 3D paint skills btw.
Was messing around with some concept art to try and emulate the "traditional" Klingon shape into the current Discovery designs. Please forgive my 3D paint skills btw.
Nice! This is a lot better-looking than most of the Klingon ships we see in Discovery. I wish they'd gone more this route than the visual abominations we have to put up with.
Much better than the Binary Stars fleet, although I would prefer just a k't'inga still.
Even if still not quite a D7, another John Eaves design that he did for Star Trek Renegades:
Still looks a bit too TNG for TOS, however, so something more like his unused D4 from ENT would be more appropriate:
Even if still not quite a D7, another John Eaves design that he did for Star Trek Renegades:
Still looks a bit too TNG for TOS, however, so something more like his unused D4 from ENT would be more appropriate:
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Gonzo
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Any of those would have been great and a massive improvement on what we actually saw.Much better than the Binary Stars fleet, although I would prefer just a k't'inga still.
Even if still not quite a D7, another John Eaves design that he did for Star Trek Renegades:
Still looks a bit too TNG for TOS, however, so something more like his unused D4 from ENT would be more appropriate:
Trek fans apparently don't. There are many different scifi/fantasy IPs that revise the look of their title character/vehicles twice or thrice in a generation with multiple continuities running side by side that otherwise aren't even slightly related. It's a new and scary thing for Star Trek, but it's nothing unusual for science fiction in general.
And for those of you too lazy to hit google:
The "Begins" Batmobile is by far my favorite. But I gotta say, I wasn't even SLIGHTLY confused by the fact that it doesn't look anything like the batmobile from the Michael Keaton version.
I am sure I have said this before, and I am sure I will say it again. Maybe we could like, get a song going or something but...
Batman...is an adaptation.
Burton Batman is not a reboot of Adam West Batman etc etc....they are different adaptations. (Though Batman does have a visual and cast reboot in the Burton continuity when Schumacher takes over.)
It is no more a reboot than the Jane Eyre adaptations, or Pride and Prejudice etc.
Star Trek has not ever had a reboot (jury out on DIS) and changing designs hugely on certain things would not be at all the same as you Batmobile example (caveat for the Forever Batmobile, but again..it’s similar enough, and ultimately...it’s a car. Bats bought a new car with glowing stuff.) because Star Trek is not an adaptation from another text when we see it on screen. It is the primary source for its fictional setting.
Hence, to a degree, the Prime Universe. The Kelvin universe is, in part, an adaptation of TOS, but through the ‘alternate universe dialogue’ and the inclusion of Nero, Geordi Ship designs and most importantly, Spock and his photo Album, is also partially in continuity from the perspective of those objects and characters.
If it is rebooted, it becomes in essence, an adaptation of itself, and is no longer the Prime, definitive article...unless, yes, you write into the narrative some kind of loop or bubble that some how avoids paradoxes (Cause and Effect, time loop episodes...only the loop that is continued from is part of the narrative, the others don’t exist except as things we, the audience see.) (also see Kirks glasses...they cannot be the same pair in a constant loop, they must have been made at some point, which means that either the universe is subtly changed by Kirk, or the glasses themselves are duplicated by the event. Which we have seen with the Time travelling Picard who is ultimately destroyed to get out of his loop.)
As it stands DIS will need some writing to paper it’s continuity cracks if it is to remain broadly in continuity with existing Prime Trek. It is not impossible, but one of the awkward things is indeed these Klingon design elements. (I don’t like them either.) At the point things are dovetailed in, any idea of this being a reboot anymore than ENT or TNG was will basically fade.
But don’t confuse an adaptation as something that can set up precedent for a reboot. We just had a fiftieth anniversary. You can’t have that with reboots, the same way a person cannot celebrate their original wedding anniversary with a different spouse, after getting divorced and remarrying. Well...maybe they could, but it would’ve wierd and be of questionable motive.
I was looking at Memory Alpha and just realised that you can see two bird-of-prey docked at Cancri IV:
It is so frustrating that they've got Eaves on board, but they did not put him in charge of the Klingon ships. His design style fits them perfectly.Much better than the Binary Stars fleet, although I would prefer just a k't'inga still.
Even if still not quite a D7, another John Eaves design that he did for Star Trek Renegades:
Still looks a bit too TNG for TOS, however, so something more like his unused D4 from ENT would be more appropriate:
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Gonzo
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Just another example of a decision made by the execs at CBS which didn't turn out so well.
His designs look great and would have helped the pilot episodes a great deal.
I genuinely think that had they kept a more traditional look for the Klingons tech and faces, it would have grown on me faster. As it stands it’s a steep hill the show is barely starting to climb, and keeps falling back down.
You're the fellow mentioned here?http://www.thetrekcollective.com/2017/10/discovery-klingon-designs-revealed-in.html#moreWas messing around with some concept art to try and emulate the "traditional" Klingon shape into the current Discovery designs. Please forgive my 3D paint skills btw.
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Gonzo
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The show would have had a much better start if they had, the Klingon monologue was horrible as well.
Happy to say that episode 3 onwards more than made up for it though, for me anyway.
The main reason is Lorca, he is more interesting from the start than any of the Captains that have come before, even Sisko as the first season of DS9 was hit and miss, bit like how the first season of Babylon 5 was boring as well, they needed the first season to set everything up.
No such difficulty with Discovery.
I will just ignore the two pilot episodes and think of them as something that could have been covered in flashback gradually over the season.
No...no...no.No...no...no
Keith Richard's blood stream (get it RIGHT damnit!11!!11)
Keith Richard's alcohol stream!
Nope I'm not Dickenson. Merely stumbled on his work awhile ago and decided to do a manip of his cruiser design.
Ugh. Just ugh.
There is SO MUCH creativity in these designs! I would recommend every fan to take a look at those. If thoses were for a comletely NEW Trek species, it'd be immediately one of the most iconic and best designed ones! This stuff looks good. It's... just... a GIANT slap into the face of everything that made the klingons so well beloved and iconic. This could have been so good if they'd just have introduced another, more insect-like species as the antagonist! Instead we got "Celebrity make-over: Klingon version". UGH.
I agree. Had these been another race, I'd like them, and would have accepted them totally as Klingon as well!
I like the concept of the ship that cut through Europa. It uses a rather familiar design for what's being cut in half!
I suppose this could have worked as a remake of the Sheliak, who were hostile to the Federation around this time period, it could make perfect sense. And since the species was only used once, they could get a remake and people could brush it off like the changes to the Trill, or other races that were used once and then reused again in numbers with a different look years later.
Well Bryan Fuller was behind the changes to the Klingons look, I wouldn’t be surprised if their charge in ship design was his as well.
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