We had the synth rebellion thing but were they actually acting on their own or was that Romulan sabotage? and if so Starfleet really dropped the ball on security. Did the Rommies make the robots go bad?
Children Of Mars Question.
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Yes, it was Zhat Vash sabotage, done in order to get synths banned. The synths weren't actually self-aware.
Well, the head of Starfleet Security at the time was a Romulan double agent.
Which in itself shows holes in the process
Eh, Starfleet's always had problems screening their flag officers.
In TNG the Vulcan Ambassador is shown to be a Romulan soy and there are no repercussions.
Geordi is brainwashed to assassinate a Klingon official by the Romulans.
As well as the usual flag officer problems.
Geordi is brainwashed to assassinate a Klingon official by the Romulans.
As well as the usual flag officer problems.
That is very true. Did they have these problems in TOS?
"Pump up the volume." - Children of M/A/R/R/S
We had Evil Captains in TOS, like Ronald Tracy and Garth. And though it's from a modern series, a decade prior to TOS we had Starfleet intentionally giving another starship command to Lorca even after he admitted to murdering his entire crew on the Buran. And then after he was killed, they gave command of his ship to Georgiou, knowing she was from Space Hitler from the Mirror Universe.
So, yeah, Captain and above, Starfleet has a very laxed screening process. This even gets lampshaded on DS9 when Sisko disobeyed orders and rescued Odo and Garak from the Romulan/Cardassian fleet that attacked the Founders homeworld, the Admiral in that episode tells him "do something like this again, we'll court martial you or promote you." A few weeks later, Sisko was promoted to Captain.
OK I have never watched DS9 so didn't know about that.... I do love the line though. "We'll courtmartial you or promote you."
Captain Ron Tracy went a little nuts when he thought he had an incurable disease.
Commodore Decker went a little nuts with his crew's death. Though that's more understandable, somewhat. Though Starfleet Security proves to be quite useless.
Admiral Cartwright is an obvious problem.
Commodore Stocker was incompetent at least with starship operations.
The rest were more burecratic and order givers than problematic. Except that one guy:
If we're including the movies, than there's also Admiral "Colonel" West, who was a co-conspirator of Cartwright's and who personally attempted to assassinate the Federation President.
Unless you're watching the theatrical cut.
It would have been a far, far better premise had the synths went rogue on their own, rather than that convoluted Zhat Vash mess we actually got.
I agree with this. I was hoping that rebellion was an unfortunate effect of the messages and stuff that the Voyager Doctor had sent back to the alpha quadrant and had caused this shift, not that the robot workers on Mars were mindless robots that had to be hacked to rebel.
I dunno. Stories about sentient robots and AIs rebelling or turning evil are an overused cliche. And it would be a step backward for Trek. TOS tended to do stories about defeating evil computers, but then TNG gave us Data and VGR gave us the Doctor, taking a more sympathetic tack toward AI.
Sure, it could've been worthwhile to do a story about AIs fighting for their rights, but having that story begin with a terrorist attack as deadly as the one in Picard/"Children of Mars" would make it hard for the audience to sympathize with the synths' cause.
Thelev was an Orion spy disguised as an Andorian, sent to sabotage the talks and assassinate delegates in "Journey to Babel."
I don't know. I keep thinking that somehow the Doctor being able to write a book and send messages back to Earth had some unintended side effects in regards to AI and holograms, that the writers have never thought of or haven't yet addressed.
It seemed to work just fine for the Kaylon in The Orville.
The Kaylon were cliche on top of cliche.
I don't know how it turned out. I tuned out.
I don't know how it turned out. I tuned out.
