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Chick-fil-A digging themselves a hole

Once again, for those disinclined to pay attention-

The point is NOT that they refuse service to gays (which they don't).

The point is that the corporation ACTIVELY DONATES THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to groups who ACTIVELY ATTEMPT TO PUT INTO LAW DISCRIMINATION AGAINST GAYS AND WOMEN!!!

Plain enough for you?

And no corporation has ever donated to any cause that affected anyone but gays. No corporation has ever donated millions to environmental groups that want to shut down coal mines in Kentucky, Wyoming, and West Virginia. No coproration has ever donated to the Brady organization to eliminate guns. No corporation has ever donated to anything that I disagree with.

This is part of the little thing I just described about liberals having even a vague idea about conservatives. We live in a world where corporate donations against our values and beliefs total in the billions, not the thousands. They speak, we speak, and we all speak. That is good. That is healthy. We both watch for illegal contributions, ads, and speech.

And by the way, Chick-Fil-A doesn't spend a dime to "put into law" discrimination against gays. They are trying to maintain the status quo (gay marriage is only legal in 10 countries on the entire planet), and we might need a few years to process the results. Gay marriage was illegal under every single Democratic President. We have even't debated whether marriage is a right. It's more of a habit with a monster hangover.
 
eh, I love boycotting stuff. Yes I am aware that I buy gazillions of products whose donations and behaviors would make me want to boycott them if I knew about it. I don't see why this diminishes the boycotts I do have in place.

In Australia there is a Boycott Gloria Jeans movement, a coffee shop chain, for its 30,000 dollar donation to the Australian Christian Lobby an arguably fringe right wing group focused heavily on gay marriage. I've been boycotting this coffee chain for quite some years because of their sponsoring of an christian charity that used exorcisms on gays to drive out the gay as well as other wacky and abusive things but now it's getting lots of headlines and the it's a big boycott. Yeah I was there first, go me.

Anyway they are free to spend their money on where they want and I would oppose any legislation stopping them from doing so. And I am also free to spend my money where I want. That other companies are doing far worse things with their money doesn't have anything to do with my little boycott of this particular company.
 
And by the way, Chick-Fil-A doesn't spend a dime to "put into law" discrimination against gays.
Fail again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A#Controversy_regarding_LGBT_issues

Chick-fil-A gave over $8 million to the WinShape Foundation in 2010.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A#cite_note-990PF-2010-36 Between 2003 and 2009, the WinShape Foundation gave more than $2 million to groups such as Focus on the Family and Eagle Forum that are politically active in opposing same-sex marriage and other gay rights issues.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A#cite_note-Devaney-37
 
This thing that really annoys me about this issue is that it demonstrates the willful ignorance of a large segment of the population. I have read maybe 500 words about this issue and it's clear to me that the main problem is that when you fund Chick-fil-a you are funding hate groups. Most people who take the pro Chick-fil-a stance ignore that side of the issue altogether and state it's just "one man's opinion" without doing the slightest bit of research what the controversy is about. It's endemic of our soundbyte, mass stupidity culture, especially in America. So many people are loud and misinformed and opinionated and heavens forbid they have to admit they were wrong about something.
 
Looks like the company set a sales record for the day

Chick-fil-A posted "record-setting" sales on Wednesday as thousands of people swarmed the chicken chain for Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day after the chain's chief made anti-gay comments.

"While we don't release exact sales numbers, we can confirm reports that it was a record-setting day," Steve Robinson, Chick-fil-A's executive vice president of marketing, said in a statement...

Like it or not, none of this controversy hurt Chick-Fil-A.
 
Looks like the company set a sales record for the day

Chick-fil-A posted "record-setting" sales on Wednesday as thousands of people swarmed the chicken chain for Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day after the chain's chief made anti-gay comments.

"While we don't release exact sales numbers, we can confirm reports that it was a record-setting day," Steve Robinson, Chick-fil-A's executive vice president of marketing, said in a statement...
Like it or not, none of this controversy hurt Chick-Fil-A.
I don't know how anyone could be so incredibly short-sighted.

They had one big sales day. Big deal. Wait until more and more people find out what the issue REALLY is and not what the media told them it was. It's happening today all over Facebook.

The long-term hit to Chick-fil-A's wallet may be substantial.
 
Looks like the company set a sales record for the day

Chick-fil-A posted "record-setting" sales on Wednesday as thousands of people swarmed the chicken chain for Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day after the chain's chief made anti-gay comments.

"While we don't release exact sales numbers, we can confirm reports that it was a record-setting day," Steve Robinson, Chick-fil-A's executive vice president of marketing, said in a statement...
Like it or not, none of this controversy hurt Chick-Fil-A.
I don't know how anyone could be so incredibly short-sighted.

They had one big sales day. Big deal. Wait until more and more people find out what the issue REALLY is and not what the media told them it was. It's happening today all over Facebook.

The long-term hit to Chick-fil-A's wallet may be substantial.

I highly doubt that people who are against gay marriage are going to care that Chick-Fil-A gives money to groups that are opposed to that issue. Their clientele of religous people aren't going to all of a sudden stop going there and you are only deluding yourself in thinking so.

This whole thing started when the President of the company opened his mouth and stated his opinion on gay marriage. The gay rights groups then proclaimed that they were boycotting Chick-Fil-A based on that statement and their history of funding groups who oppose gay marriage. Mayors of three cities then said that they were opposed to Chick-Fil-A expanding there. Conservative groups then decided to hold an appreciation day to counter that side of the argument. Millions showed up across the country at Chick-Fil-A restaurants. Gay groups are holding kiss ins across Chick-Fil-A restaurants as on friday to demonstrate their opposition to Chick-Fil-A's stance. Spin it however you want, but gay marriage is what this is all about. The media has reported this pretty accurately.
 
Well, from reports I've seen talking to people on the street as that many thought the issue was just on the comments said by the head of CFA. So for many it was a "Free Speech" issue. The media was doing very little to spread the idea that the issue was largely on the contributions the company makes to groups wanting stop gay marriage/restrict rights.

Hopefully that message will get more and more out there and hurt CFA in the long-run.
 
Well, from reports I've seen talking to people on the street as that many thought the issue was just on the comments said by the head of CFA. So for many it was a "Free Speech" issue. The media was doing very little to spread the idea that the issue was largely on the contributions the company makes to groups wanting stop gay marriage/restrict rights.

Hopefully that message will get more and more out there and hurt CFA in the long-run.
Bingo. And it's up to people who give a shit to continue to send the message. I've seen a half-dozen on FB just today come to that realization, so it is possible.
 
Well, from reports I've seen talking to people on the street as that many thought the issue was just on the comments said by the head of CFA. So for many it was a "Free Speech" issue. The media was doing very little to spread the idea that the issue was largely on the contributions the company makes to groups wanting stop gay marriage/restrict rights.

Hopefully that message will get more and more out there and hurt CFA in the long-run.

Not surprising. Most people who show up to vote don't know much about the candidates accept the party affiliation and which one is the bigger scumbag.
 
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The gay rights groups then proclaimed that they were boycotting Chick-Fil-A based on that statement and their history of funding groups who oppose gay marriage.

You know, gay rights groups have been boycotting CFA informally for many years. All that actually happened was a public reaffimation of that fact.

Personally, I don't measure a movements success or failure on sales figures. I measure it by more abstract measures. What yesterday (and where I live today as well) did was, inadvertently, show the dirty underbelly of a great many of CFA's supporters.

Stories like this are not the only ones I have read to today,

This will take time, but what this event has done is strip back the true face of a lot of people. I strongly believe that the scales of the universe tip towards justice.

You see here's what occurred:

1. Christians who went to support biblical values, unless they ordered only salads, went and loaded up on sandwiches that contain 26 grams of fat and slaw with 31 grams. That's a pretty clear case of gluttony. God hates that (Proverbs).

2. Christians who went to support biblical values forgot that just last year, when Cathy was confronted about his support of anti-gay organizations and stand on gay marriage he said, "no agenda against anyone," and that the company would not "champion any political agendas" relating to marriages or families. Yet that is precisely what they do. So, these Christians, as I said all along they would do, went to support "traditional values" but could only do so at the expense of support of the 9th Commandment. Proverbs also says that God hates lying and that lying lips are an abomination to the Lord.

3. I promise you not a single person shared or is likely to have shared the Gospel with a gay person within recent days. They can't be bothered to bone up on Exodus International's own statement that homosexuality isn't a choice, so why should we expect them to do basic evangelism without going on a rant?

"Lord, Lord, did we not stand in line and support traditional values on August 1 in your name? And He will say to them, "Did I not tell you that I hate gluttony and lying? Did I not tell you to share the Gospel with all nations and all people? You loaded up with tasty, but fatty food in my name, but you did not stand up for me at all. All you did was fill your belly. Depart from me,you evildoers, I never knew you."

The Bible says we're to count the cost of discipleship. It cost these people NOTHING in those terms to patronize CFA. That is far more hurtful to their cause than any boycott. I don't call that successful at all.

That's what will become of August 1 for many of these people.

3. Those who went to support free speech aren't exactly consistent either. You see, while this is going on around us, the National Organization for Marriage is boycotting Starbucks and General Mills. Now, Huckabee, a few days ago finally got around to speaking against that. I noticed that the conservative media kinda downplayed that too. Let's be real, there are no lines around the corner at Starbucks to support their free speech and there's not a run on General Mills products at grocery stores right now. I'd point that out to the people going on about "Free Speech" and not investigating this too. Remind them of the boycott of NOM vs. Starbucks and tell them that if they really believe that, then they need to go "appreciate" Starbucks too. When they do, then they can get back to us. But most won't do that, so really, they aren't supporting free speech until they form a line at Starbucks. Right now, they're supporting one side's free speech at the expense of the other.

No, in the long run what has happened is this: Hypocrisy and in many cases outright hatred has been exposed. That is far more successful than a kiss-in or a boycott. I also know that there is a movement right now among many gays and their supporters to go grocery shopping in the coming days and give to the food banks and, when they do, they are going to tell them - and some will be going to churches - that they are gay and that they know that the CFA supporters did not do this. No, the CFA supporters went to gorge themselves while the hungry were unattended. That will leave an indelible impression on many people. What is going to happen now is a very quiet, very private result that will wind up showing that August 1 may have raised some sales and filled some bellies, but did nothing at all more than that. It just made bigotry, ignorance, and cowardice public - which of those and in what proportions varies with each person. Those are things that have long term consequences that take awhile to creep up, but I assure you they will.
 
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Yeah, you know...that Wonka meme's funny, but you actually made a very good and sharp point with it.

Where were the folks who wanted to demonstrate "good, proper Christian and family values" and donated Chick-fil-A sandwiches and other food to the hungry? Not like I expected it ...but all these hoardes and reams of humanity jamming their ill-informed or downright ignorant and prejudiced asses through the front doors of their local Chick-fil-As, and not one news story of a Christian conservative customer taking some bags of their food to those in their community who could, you know, actually use it more than they could?

I know. How many of us on either side of the stand and the argument actually do that. We could pretty much all stand to do a little bit better in that regard. But whenever I hear people bleating and thumping their chests about standing up for and respecting Christian values, the traditional family, etc. I have to wonder just a little:

Have you actually done anything to prove yourself such a wonderful and caring Christian? Or is it mostly just for show and scoring points with the people around you? To make you feel better about and portray yourself as some kind of superior person?
 
Speaking for myself, I get paid tomorrow and I'm going to donate groceries. What really got me about the local efforts was the news coverage. Nearly every camera shot showcased overweight people. The icing on the cake for me was a shot of large, overweight driver of a church van carrying TWO large, obviously catered, cooler sized containers of fatty goodness out to his van. When I say these people completely ignored the Bible on gluttony (Proverbs) and treating your body like a temple (Romans), I really, really mean it.

It was like watching one of those reality shows where you know the people are making fools out of themselves but they are completely clueless about it. I'm reminded of a funny story.

Years ago, I was in Atlanta visiting some friends. We had gathered around a pool, and I heard my voice being called by an old friend I hadn't seen in years. He was a smiles and grins and was walking across the pool from the shallow end to the deep end where I was standing above talking to some friends. Now, picture it, it was like that actress, I think Tara Reid, who had her boob hanging out while the cameras rolled and she waved with a smile. As he walked from one end to the other going on about how long it'd been since he'd seen me and how happy he was, etc.,etc...a large, yellowish-brown cloud began emanating around his pelvis as he made his glorious stroll to the deep end. He was totally oblivious to it; we were all mortified, and we he reached the end, I just stooped down and whispered, "It really is good to see you too; you seem to be a little dehydrated," and looked down. He was so embarrassed, but we all did laugh about it later.

It was just like watching that, but it wasn't nearly as funny.
 
nightwind is my hero for the day.

The difference is that when a tiny percentage of the population calls for a boycott and only a few percent get on board, but 50+% of the people who wouldn't ordinarily eat at a particular restaraunt would
do so, setting world record sales figures, as opposed to a very large precentage of people actually boycotting and hurting sales, companies respond differently. Attacking the gay community will now be seen as marketing genius, even by all the gay marketing people.

Wendy's, McDonald's, KFC, and everybody else have to be plotting about how to make themselves the target of a pro-gay boycott.

Oh, and the person in the video I linked earlier, who was CFO of a health-care company, not a job to sneeze at, was summarily fired in less than 24 hours. Thankfully both sides can delight in this because he made such of a point of asserting the there was "no gay in me." I'm sure he'd be thrilled to punch any gay in the face for thinking he was gay. But he's down for the struggle, as long as the struggle is beating down a girl working the drive-thru.
 
Chick-fil-A may have gotten a short term boost, but they're a tiny player in the marketplace, and their overall brand rating took a serious nosedive over this. What it's done is reveal to the public at-large not only the anti-gay stance, but it's caused people to finally start paying attention to the company's policies. Founder and CEO Truett Cathy has said he would probably fire someone who "has been sinful or done something harmful to their family members," which is almost certainly a violation of fair employment laws.
 
CFA doesn't support the killing of homosexuals, they simply support groups who support "traditional marriage."

Well, gee, as long as they don't support KILLING them, right? :rolleyes:
Except they do. (At least, it certainly looked that way before all involved began to furiously back-pedal once the story broke).

See, they (Chick-fil-a's owners) have openly admitted donating to The Family Research Council which actively lobbied congress to not condemn Uganda's laws which make it legal to kill homosexuals, and makes homosexuality itself a capital crime.

The FRC now maintains that their reasons for opposing the formal condemnation was totally unrelated to the subject of homosexual genocide, but because they objected to language in the Congressional Condemnation that implied that freedom of sexual orientation was a basic human right.

Regardless of their true motivation, the upshot is that FRC opposed the US government's condemnation of this genocidal Ugandan policy, and that Chick-fil-a profits underwrote the FRC's efforts to do so.
 
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