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Resisting the impulse to write about "Caretaker" now that I just finished it. But there were too many thoughts during it, including a big metaphysical one that would probably be something everyone's already heard a thousand times and I'm the last to think of it. I should probably just continue to the next episode immediately.
 
Of course we want to know now!?

I spent 60 bucks buying a hard cover of the metaphysics of Star Trek that I never read.

(After the Student Loans people dumped a couple grand in my bank account for living expenses... I went mad with power at the comic shop for far too long.)
 
I'll think about it.

Oh, what the hell, it's probably not worth a thread anyway.

The bare bones of it is whether the Caretaker represents the Great Sky Fairy of Ocampa and Kazon mythology. And if Janeway tells the GSF he's not needed anymore.
 
He was feeding the Ocampa.

Without him, they had no (replicated) food, and no power for their city after their five year reserve ran out, a reserve that was abnormal and new because Caretaker knew that he was dying.

Remember the pulses connecting the Array to the Ocampan city?

Ocampa (the planet) has no nucleogenic particles. The Nacene did this. In fake made up science, this means that it can not rain on Ocampa. Ever. It's a dead world. No rain means that they can never grow a crop again in the soil naturally. (It also means that you shouldn't have been able to breath. But it's possible that the Kazon were partially teraforming a small area of the planet around their mining operation so that they wouldn't have to wear space suits... Of course this means that they would have been flooding their "region" with water vapour to allow for breathing, and then flushing all that water away beyond their work area after the water particles become stagnant and poisonous.

Of course, all the Ocampa needed was the self sufficiency of their own powersource, and their little underground City could last for a million generations after Caretaker's bought the farm.

Caretaker however preferred that they ran out of food, locked in a box a mile under ground resorting to cannibalism to survive rather than loaning any of them a science text book to learn how to harvest and manipulate duterium from the hydrogen in the planets atmosphere.

Oh.

Lets guess that the shield took up a hundred times more power than keeping the city alive.

They could turn off the shield, if they murdered the kazon.

Or maybe just drive them off world?

After Ocampa turned off the shield, if they were not enslaved or eaten by the kazon, then their 5 year power reserve which the Caretaker left for them, would last for 500 years, not 5.

So yes the Caretaker protected the Ocampa form the ravages the cursed barren wasteland above. A kindly benefactor asking for nothing. I don't think they knew that the Caretaker's people destroyed the planet's biosphere... But the Kazon on the other hand knew him as the asshole in the powerful space station who would kill them if they got too close... Which might explain their complete lack of trust in Janeway acting life a good girl.

Lets be honest.

The only reason that the Caretaker allowed those kazon to stay on the surface of Ocampa is that he must have been sick of all the blood on his hands after he evicted the last ten Kazon Colonies that pitched camp there to mine the VALUABLE cormaline deposits.

They were only there threatening the ocampa because he allowed it.

Caretaker sealed the pulse collectors on the edge of the city with phasers shot from 1/2 a light year away. If he wanted to smash Maje Jabin's camp, it would be smashed and the Kazon on the ground couldn't do jack shit to stop it.

The Ocampa might have been trusting children, but it would have only taken them a couple hours to grow up.
 
What I thought was funny is that obviously Tom Paris had been watching Hee Haw the week he was abducted and that's what Caretaker built his little farm setting with.

They could have shown us Vulcan but noooo... :rolleyes:
 
I started a thread about that in the DS9 forum.

If Caretaker, because he's a moron, targeted Voyager in the badlands, dragged it to him, Then wanted to see the planet of origin of Voyager, but forgot to adjust for the speed of light when roving the focus of his scanning scope, just like the Squire of Gothos before him, then Banjoman would have seen early 20th century Earth and not 24th century Earth... Which scientifically(ish) determines the exact distance between Earth and the Bandlands/Bajor in lightyears, if we can ascribe what year that hillbilly picnic was supposed to have been set.
 
Oh the origin.. I thought he sucked it out of their brains and it was Paris's tv viewing habits he glommed onto. It would make sense he went with a human since that was the majority of the vessel. But it would have been funny if he was doing origins and read it as Bajor and the whole thing was some tedious Bajoran temple he was expecting them to enjoy.
 
Are you forgetting Equinox?

Banjoman did.

Caretaker already had the desktop theme for a human holding habitat from when he massraped Ransom's crew 6 months precedently.
 
Since it's not a conglomerate of Stuff Earth People Like but a very specific television stereotype (as in, if you scanned actual earth history you would not find anything like this) I'm going to assume it was lifted from someone's brain and on VOY the obvious person is Paris. But perhaps it was someone on Equinox who just really really missed corn.
 
It probably didn't, but hey it was worth a shot?

Was there any other evidence of caretaker being telepathic?

Or maybe Caretaker had Ocampan helpers on the Array (that we did not see) who scanned brains for him?

Susperia was casting illusions?

Did we think that the illusions of the farm and Banjoman were technological or biological? or course that the illusion failed the second he died does express a biological component to the process.

But what about the Vulcans?

Fooling a Vulcan telepathically has to be a lot harder than fooling a human.

Or the illusions he had cast might be physical manifestations rather than psionic conjurings and had nothing to do telepathic potential and everything to do with just their eyeballs seeing stuff rather than their brains lying to their eyeballs about seeing stuff ?

If he was telepathic, then why even bother asking Janeway to look after the Ocampa if he could wade inside her mind and anticipate her answer to any question? Oh god? Did he not do that because he "respects" her, even though her species is 10 million years behind his own evolutionarily and technologically.

How much respect do you have for a cockroach?
 
Yes dementia. Of course dementia. Dementia without a doubt.

Him frakking human beings is like one of us boinking a live fish.

Dementia.

But what I meant is if Caretaker was older than 6 thousand years old, then he predates God, and he certainly predates the new Testament quote you just threw at me which is less than 2000 years old. :) .

Sure new stuff can be intelligent, but it's also novel, kitsch kidstuff that old people can look down their nose at and roll their eyes over.

There's that line from Supernatural by Death "We can no longer remember who is older, God or myself, but one day, eventually, it will be my job to reap God."

:)
 
How old was the face of Bo?

Age can make people fixated on certain topics like the Ocampa. The super old seem to end up caring less, like the Vorlons. I guess if you cared more the older you got you would be crushed by it.
 
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