Characters going new places / characters going nowhere

[LaBarre]

Once again I agree with Thrawn (this is boringly becoming my mantra).

I don't think you can have read the TNG Relaunch novels + Destiny and come out the other end with the view that the TNG crew are going nowhere.

Granted, by GTTS, even I thought, not another bloody Borg book!

But, as with life, it turned out that everything has its purpose. And so, what those novels ended up establishing, is that it is the Borg who are going nowhere.

 

[Sci]

I agree that Geordi is one of the most underdeveloped characters, but it started out that way on TNG, and Trek Lit. seems to be continuing that tradition.

I'm really surprised to hear people say that. I thought that Geordi got a lot of good scenes in Greater Than the Sum. And, more to the point, I thought one particular line made it clear that his character was going to undergo a fundamental, self-driven change in later books. I'm paraphrasing it from memory, but the line went something like this:

Everyone else has been able to start a family. So what's stopping me?

I'll believe it when I see it.

No offense, but Bennett practically took a giant bat labeled "foreshadowing" and smashed it over the audiences' heads with that line. You might as well claim "I'll believe it when I see it" in reaction to Riker's and Troi's decision to have a child at the end of Orion's Hounds (incidentally, also by Bennett).

No, it hasn't happened yet. Damn near every sub-plot was put on hold for the duration of Destiny. But it seems pretty frickin' obvious that it's going to happen in post-Destiny TNG Relaunch books.

-Benjamin Sisko (DS9): If they keep him on the sidelines too long, there will be no creative need or reason to bring him back into the DS9 relaunch. I hope the writers find something interesting for him to do soon.

Did you read Fearful Symmetry?

 

[DS9Continuing]

-Benjamin Sisko (DS9): If they keep him on the sidelines too long, there will be no creative need or reason to bring him back into the DS9 relaunch. I hope the writers find something interesting for him to do soon.

I love where Sisko is at the moment. The series has moved on, and Sisko isn't the central character anymore - Kira is. Sisko's taking some well-deserved "me time" - and I have no problem with that, but he's also developed into Kira's mentor, in matters of Starfleet and of the Prophets.

He's almost the Merlin to her Arthur, in fact - she has the massive quest ahead of her, and he is in the background offering cryptic advice. I think that's an excellent place to take him.

 

[Turtletrekker]

but he's (Sisko) also developed into Kira's mentor, in matters of Starfleet and of the Prophets.

He's almost the Merlin to her Arthur, in fact - she has the massive quest ahead of her, and he is in the background offering cryptic advice. I think that's an excellent place to take him.

I like that anaolgy.

 

[BillJ]

Going places: Jonathan Archer - Clearly the pivotal character of the twenty-second century.

Going nowhere: TNG crew - Very bland group that has almost become caricatures of the TV series. Not even KRAD with the help of Q could save this bunch.

Have you read Destiny? I might have agreed with you before that, but I thought at least Picard went through some serious changes in Destiny.

Yeah. I think their actions at the end of 'Destiny' pretty much ended my interest in that group (especially Picard). Though I thought 'Destiny' as a whole was a kick-ass science-fiction trilogy.

 

[Technobuilder]

Maybe it's just the lack of Deep Space Nine Stories in the past few years, but one character that hasn't really gone anywhere is that of Vic Fontaine.

I keep thinking The Doctor will show up on DS9 eventually, looking for him with a notion of something more (story wise) to be determined.

Plus, Moriarty & Countess Regina Bartholomew are still kicking around the "Quadrant" somewhere on a shelf at the Daystrom Institute, I'm sure they could be involved somehow.

Hologram Rights doesn't have to be the boring issue it was portrayed as in the early Voyager Books.

 

[DarKush]

Sci,

I haven't read Fearful Symmetry yet. It's one of the Trek books I've purchased but haven't found time to read yet.

As for Geordi and the possible foreshadowing, I'm sticking to I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Sci]

Sci,

I haven't read Fearful Symmetry yet. It's one of the Trek books I've purchased but haven't found time to read yet.

As for Geordi and the possible foreshadowing, I'm sticking to I'll believe it when I see it.

You'll believe, then.

 

[Christopher]

I'm really surprised to hear people say that. I thought that Geordi got a lot of good scenes in Greater Than the Sum. And, more to the point, I thought one particular line made it clear that his character was going to undergo a fundamental, self-driven change in later books. I'm paraphrasing it from memory, but the line went something like this:

Everyone else has been able to start a family. So what's stopping me?

I'll believe it when I see it.

No offense, but Bennett practically took a giant bat labeled "foreshadowing" and smashed it over the audiences' heads with that line. You might as well claim "I'll believe it when I see it" in reaction to Riker's and Troi's decision to have a child at the end of Orion's Hounds (incidentally, also by Bennett).

Actually I had no such intention whatsoever when I wrote that line. I was trying to give Geordi a moment of introspection and character examination, but it wasn't intended as setup for any specific future events.

 

[Sci]

I'll believe it when I see it.

No offense, but Bennett practically took a giant bat labeled "foreshadowing" and smashed it over the audiences' heads with that line. You might as well claim "I'll believe it when I see it" in reaction to Riker's and Troi's decision to have a child at the end of Orion's Hounds (incidentally, also by Bennett).

Actually I had no such intention whatsoever when I wrote that line. I was trying to give Geordi a moment of introspection and character examination, but it wasn't intended as setup for any specific future events.

Fair enough, then, but it sure as heck felt like foreshadowing.

 

[JoeZhang]

I did think all of the Troi baby stuff was so obvious to be painful in destiny.


1) Here are some aliens who can alter the human body with ease after a little playing around.

2) Gasp, my baby is going to die or kill me.

3) Shiny clean!


Now Destiny is a good series but that sub-plot... not so good.

 

[Sci]

I did think all of the Troi baby stuff was so obvious to be painful in destiny.


1) Here are some aliens who can alter the human body with ease after a little playing around.

2) Gasp, my baby is going to die or kill me.

3) Shiny clean!


Now Destiny is a good series but that sub-plot... not so good.

While I don't think anyone would disagree that the resolution of that sub-plot was predictable, is that really the only measure of its quality? I thought it served as a powerful symbol of the basic themes of the story.

 

[Thrawn]

Sci, I agree; even though I thought it was pretty lame while reading it, in hindsight it symbolized on the smallest scale exactly what the trilogy as a whole symbolized on the large scale. I don't think I've seen a Trek book that so nicely wrapped every ongoing story together thematically since my other favorite Borg story, Vendetta, which was just brilliant in that regard.

 

[JoeZhang]

I did think all of the Troi baby stuff was so obvious to be painful in destiny.


1) Here are some aliens who can alter the human body with ease after a little playing around.

2) Gasp, my baby is going to die or kill me.

3) Shiny clean!


Now Destiny is a good series but that sub-plot... not so good.

While I don't think anyone would disagree that the resolution of that sub-plot was predictable, is that really the only measure of its quality? I thought it served as a powerful symbol of the basic themes of the story.

That aliens we have never seen before can solve all of our problems?

 

[Sci]

I did think all of the Troi baby stuff was so obvious to be painful in destiny.


1) Here are some aliens who can alter the human body with ease after a little playing around.

2) Gasp, my baby is going to die or kill me.

3) Shiny clean!


Now Destiny is a good series but that sub-plot... not so good.

While I don't think anyone would disagree that the resolution of that sub-plot was predictable, is that really the only measure of its quality? I thought it served as a powerful symbol of the basic themes of the story.

That aliens we have never seen before can solve all of our problems?

Did you totally miss the part where the aliens we have never seen before have horrible problems of their own, and commit horrific human (or, rather, sentient) rights abuses?

And the point of the Troi pregnancy subplot was to represent the future of the Federation, and its dependence upon partnership and cooperation rather than distrust and conflict.

 

[JoeZhang]

And the point of the Troi pregnancy subplot was to represent the future of the Federation, and its dependence upon partnership and cooperation rather than distrust and conflict.

Lots of things have points or meaning - doesn't make them a enjoyable or interesting read.

No point arguing about this, you see it one way, I see it another.