Wasn't the Enterprise already damaged at that point? I thought that was why.
Kor
Just going by what Spock said. He mentioned nothing about the ships being damaged, only their speed and armaments.
Wasn't the Enterprise already damaged at that point? I thought that was why.
Kor
The real world reason for the refit was that the TOS look wasn't suitable for movies made in the laze 70s/early 80s, so there's no way the original would have been used in your scenario. If they had wanted to use it unchanged they would have done so since TMP.Having it stolen from a space museum, as it was on the TOS television, and then blown up, would have carried more weight than what did happen: ...
Valeris should have been Saavik. Would have been a TON more dramatic if the traitor was someone beyond suspect, instead of the "new crew member", who was instantly suspect because she was new.
The real world reason for the refit was that the TOS look wasn't suitable for movies made in the laze 70s/early 80s, so there's no way the original would have been used in your scenario. If they had wanted to use it unchanged they would have done so since TMP.
The destruction also loses a lot of impact when the actual hero ship of the movies stayed home in the repair shop getting ready to be used again.
What I would have changed is not bringing back any TOS characters except for Kirk, Spock and Bones for the movies. Those three made Star Trek, everyone else was replaceable and should have been replaced, a rotating crew changing over the course of the movies would have made more sense and would have been more interesting because the dynamics would have changed every time.
Valeris should have been Saavik. Would have been a TON more dramatic if the traitor was someone beyond suspect, instead of the "new crew member", who was instantly suspect because she was new.
Alley as Saavik in II, III, IV and VI.. (or maybe even II & VI) or at least Curtis as Saavik in VI?.. or maybe if original choice Kim Catrell had been Saavik from II onwards..Absolutely; It would have been an entire arc going II, III, IV, VI. It would have been a major twist.
I really like the idea. Its not that it would be faster or even fast at all; It would be for the gut punch of seeing the *original* for the first time in decades, then watch it go up in flames; It would give a real reason for being outmatched; It would actually fit the plot that there is no way they could have actually stolen it from a space dock, and that the museum piece is easier to access; it could have made for a pretty fun sequence. Even more of a reason to have to handicap the Excelsior, too. I really love the concept. Its not like the audience would have had much attachment to the new ship just 3 movies (5 years) into the franchise. Honestly, its not that much different then destroying the ship in the reboot trilogy.
OPs idea is actually quite a neat concept. obviously the TOS Ent wouldve had to have been slightly modified for the big screen (the in-universe explanation would be it had a slight refit in TOS Year 4 or 5) but still recognisably TOS with the bridge still red doors/railings, familiar chair, spocks station, blue outline of viewscreen, sound FX etc (also would see the transporter room/corridors) and the model more detailed (but still the circular nacelles etc) so just jazzed up for the big screen (not unlike the DISCOprise)The real world reason for the refit was that the TOS look wasn't suitable for movies made in the laze 70s/early 80s, so there's no way the original would have been used in your scenario. If they had wanted to use it unchanged they would have done so since TMP.
The destruction also loses a lot of impact when the actual hero ship of the movies stayed home in the repair shop getting ready to be used again.
What I would have changed is not bringing back any TOS characters except for Kirk, Spock and Bones for the movies. Those three made Star Trek, everyone else was replaceable and should have been replaced, a rotating crew changing over the course of the movies would have made more sense and would have been more interesting because the dynamics would have changed every time.
Context is everything. Immediately before Spock's line is this (dialogue with Kirk as they race to the bridge):Just going by what Spock said. He mentioned nothing about the ships being damaged, only their speed and armaments.
Even with half of his brain scrambled by Spock's Katra, McCoy is smarter than that.I wish McCoy had tried to hire Harry Mudd in Trek 3 rather than the alien.
what about this - on route to Genesis, Kirk visits his old quarters..we see him look at various stuff still in there (a TOS phaser&communicator still hidden in a secret compartment, various books etc, maybe some sentimental item spock gave to him) goes to the closet wardrobe - pulls out a TOS uniform.. looks at it ...next scene: Kirk steps on the bridge in full gold uniform! (like the end of ST09).
The Enterprise A should have been an Excelsior ship. Star Trek is about the future, about moving on the the next thing. Sacrifice means you don't get back what you gave up. The original ship should have been gone for good on Genesis. It's bad enough we got Spock back so soon, minimizing his sacrifice, but we also got the old ship (facsimile) back too. The only thing sacrificed in the end was a character we barely knew.
SNIP!
Interesting that you would mention this, considering that Shatner wore the gold uniform for a SNL skit a few years later, when he was promoting TVH...
For an alternate scenario, I agree with this. I've heard/read that Nemoy was against the idea of Kirk being at the helm of the Ent-B. Is there any validity to this?
Shit, I have no problems with it - in fact I'll take it one step farther, and insist that during Generations, Kirk should have taken command of the "D" at some point.
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