Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterprise

[Vanyel]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

Johnnyracefan said:

Vanyel said:

Johnnyracefan said:
If its been said already sorry for the double post.
Tasha does NOT get aboard the Enterprise-"C"

Please explain.

The whole Sela story line.
waste of time.

Ok. I'm still confused. The Sela story line, waste of time or not, is canon. So if Tasha is her mother then she had to be on the E-C.

So please, give me a full explanation of your theory. Or do you just not like the Sela story and chose to ignore it, thereby creating your own canon for TNG?

The only way I can see that you are right is if you use three different time lines.

TL-1 Tasha dies in season one at the hands of Armus.

TL-2 Because of the ongoing war, Tasha never encounters Armus and doesn't die. She then leaves the E-D to be the E-C's tactical officer. Because of this act a third TL is formed.

TL-3 Tasha TL-2 enters TL-1 and creates this new time TL where Tasha TL-2 gives birth and then dies in an escape attempt while Tasha TL-1 is a little girl. TL-1 and TL-2 as we see them have ceased to exist.

 

[Timo]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

Uh, huh? The title of this thread is "changes that should have been made", not "recounting of what happened in the episode". And I agree that getting rid of the Sela thing is a possible, plausible and potentially rewarding way of compacting the storyline.

Although of course Sela isn't a feature of "Yesterday's Enterprise" yet, and only becomes a superfluous annoyance in the sequel.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[SeerSGB]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

Unicron said:
And it's also possible that the Romulans were still in isolation in this timeline, since the Tomed Incident occurred before the war with the Klingons started. In the normal timeline their re-emergence was due in part to the threat they faced from the Klingon-Federation alliance.

Another possibility: The Klingons wipe out the Romulans.

Think about it this way: Romulans show up and start blasting the hell out of Khitomer and the one Federation ship to show up bugs out and leaves them to die. Klingons fly into a fever and start laying waste to both civilizations.

 

[Starbreaker]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

Ehh... forget the nit-picks. This episode rocked.

 

[Unicron]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

^^ It's an interesting idea, but I don't know how capable the Klingons would be to fight a two-front war. And I don't think the Federation would be so close to losing if the Romulans had been forced into an alliance with them. They might still be on the losing side, but not by so much.

As far as Sela goes, I've never been entirely comfortable with the character either. The simplest change would be to have Tasha die meaningfully in the battle.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Add a Klingon Bird of...wait a second...

Troi as a ruthless Starfleet interrogator. Troi's absence was disappointing. Where's my kitten with a whip?

I disagree about Wesley, we see in DS9, cadets are pushed into service. Fate of the free world vs. whatever rules.

Laforge as a captain.... For one at that point in the showit didn't seem likely (In Arsenal of Freedom, he did okay, but clearly had a lot to learn about command). For two, he's much more useful as an engineer, alternate timeline war or not.

The Romulans status in that timeline was unknown. For all we know, the Klingon conquered the Romulans or had a Romulan-friendly regime in power (certainly probable given the normal timeline events of Sins of the Father, Reunion, Redemption, etc...).

 

[Yassim]

At least one member of the crew should have worn a goatee for this episode.

Wasted opportunity.

 

[Jamee999]

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[Unicron]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

Or maybe Wesley was a fully commissioned officer in the alternate timeline.

 

[Yassim]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

^^ Pre-existing facial hair isn't evil, so that doesn't count.

Plus, only a goatee is evil. While that's not a full beard, it doesn't have the same evil influence as a newly-formed goatee.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

Yassim said:
At least one member of the crew should have worn a goatee for this episode.

Wasted opportunity.

Should've been Yar.

 

[jimbtnp2]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

Colonel Worf said:
Ehh... forget the nit-picks. This episode rocked.

well said

tasha's strong emotion and actual personality were sorely missed, this was a great episode

 

[Swarles Barkley]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

Nebusj said:

Forbin said:
Yes, inertia exists in space.

(How's that for simple?)

You're quite right, although the one catch there is that's how things work with real-world physics. There's a moderate bit of evidence that in the Star Trek universe there exist inertia-cancelling or at least minimizing technologies.

You forgot one of the strongest bits of evidence that Trekverse physics include some tech to manipulate inertia: The fact that the ships' crews don't get turned into wallpaper every time a starship goes to warp (or even rapidly accelerates using its impulse engines, for that matter). To allow for the kinds of rapid acceleration that we see in virtually every Trek episode, you would have to be able to essentially eliminate inertia, or else your crew would be splattered all over the nearest bulkhead as soon as you stepped on the gas. I'm pretty sure there's some onscreen reference to "inertial dampeners" being offline or somesuch technobabble in at least one Trek episode or movie. There's also a very interesting discussion of the need for "inertial dampening" technology in the non-canon, yet still awesome, Trek novel "Federation". A great read, IMHO.

 

[tafkats]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

gcmcdowell said:

Forbin said:
Civilian Guinan had no business being aboard a military vessel in time of war.

Are there any circumstances where a civilian would be present on a modern military vessel (a cook, for example)?

I can't answer this question directly, but I can tell you that the U.S. military has all kinds of noncombat MOSes for its personnel -- cooks, barbers, journalists, musicians, etc. So if Starfleet has a similar range of MOSes, there would be no NEED for a civilian bartender.

However, most of what we see in Star Trek indicates that Starfleet tends to have jobs like serving food and cutting hair be done by civilians. And while it might seem strange to have civilians working on a battleship, life on the "normal" Enterprise-D wasn't exactly all that safe, either.

I'm guessing civilians would have greater freedom to quit if things got too dangerous for their liking, and would get extra pay for serving in a combat situation.

 

[Anwar]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

I think Guinan was something of a standout on the alternate Ent-D. The most likely explanation was that Picard pulled some strings to get Guinan on board so he wouldn't be seperated from her wisdom and experience in matters.

 

[the_wildcard]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

Yassim said:
At least one member of the crew should have worn a goatee for this episode.

Wasted opportunity.

hahahahahahaa, agreed. If anything needed to be changed, it should have been that.

Other than that though.....the episode is still one of my favorites and I would change nothing.

 

[Malleus]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

Vanyel said:

2. The Enterprise D should be different, perhaps not so big, or at least with more weapon emplacements. Maybe double phaser strips on the ventral and dorsal sides of the saucer, and more torpedo tubes. Not talking about an über Enterprise like in All Good Things..., but definitely a ship with more fighting power.

Well, there are some of the DS9 changes to the Galaxy-class starship models you should consider, then. Take, for example, the phaser arrays atop the Venture's warp nacelles, or the darker "necks" in the later ships (implying improved strength, since desperate Klingons could also attempt to ram them like the Jem'Hadar did to the Odyssey).

3. Ships probably should travel in pairs or in a small task force. A problem that is also evident during the Dominion War.

I'm not sure about the dialogue, but I'd also want to see additional Klingon warships (and NOT BOPs).

 

[sbk1234]

Re: Changes that should have been made in Yesterday’s Enterp

Interesting that in the DS9 episode, The Defiant, when it is revealed that Cmdr. Riker is really "evil" Tom Riker, he pulls off his sideburns leaving just a goatee.
In answer to another earlier post, the military has all sorts of non-combatant positions because they couldn't function without them. My father, for example, served in the navy during the Korean War. His main job: Ship's laundry. My father-in-law was in the army a few years later. He was a cook. They were both full military and recieve full vet benefits.
They also had emergency situation combative duties as well. My father was also on a gun crew - even though his ship was a tanker and therefore not a ship they'd normally bring into combat. But they'd have to be prepared for every contingency.

 

[blueshirt]

I happily chalk up most of the issues cited here to the realities of television production.

But I agree that the Klingons defeating (or on the verge of defeating) the Federation in a long-term, resource-consuming war is unlikely at best.
However, it's not implausible that the Romulans would provide the Klingons with support to swing the odds. The Star Empire lets its 2 enemies devastate each other and swoops in on the "winner."
Heck, we now can speculate that the yet-to-be-introduced-to-the-viewer Cardassians supported the Klingons against the Federation.

I agree that Sela was nothing more than a time-consuming distraction from the main plotlines in "Redemption II," though "Yesterday's Enterprise" was an excellent story for Denise Crosby and Tasha Yar.