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Chakotay facing jail time?

I say throw ol' Chuckles in a Starfleet pokey and give him a tin cup to run across the bars. His crime? Not covering up his tats at work.
 
But why the former Maquis rebels would want to join Starfleet? Indeed, people like Chakotay, B'Elena for ex, clearly made know how much they were angry with its protocol, policy, etc... . So I guess that they would prefer pursuing their passions (Anthropology for Chakotay & Engineering for B'Elena) outside Starfleet, without any regret.
-> I know that it was said that Chakotay wished to teach in Starfleet Academy but I sincerely doubt of that even if means would be unlimited in the pursuing of his researches. In fact, I easily imagine Chakotay prefering to be back to the source, on the land of their ancestors to help to the rebuilding.and to spend the other half of his time to the meditation AND for B'Elena, to share her time between her family and engineering but as a civilian who would help Starfleet.
 
But why the former Maquis rebels would want to join Starfleet? Indeed, people like Chakotay, B'Elena for ex, clearly made know how much they were angry with its protocol, policy, etc... .

Chakotay was already a veteran Starfleet officer before he ever joined the Maquis. He didn't resign his commission because he hated Starfleet, he did it to fight the Cardassians.
 
Chakotay was already a veteran Starfleet officer before he ever joined the Maquis. He didn't resign his commission because he hated Starfleet, he did it to fight the Cardassians.

I didn't refer to what he was and did before joining the Maquis but what he tough/did when he had to join during the 7 years aborad Voyager. He recognized himself to have changed so,... .
 
There was that bit where two Maquis offer to support Chakotay in a rebellion, and he says "If I ever hear you talk that way again, I will personally throw you in the brig for mutiny!" (My favorite Chakotay line of the entire serires, BTW. :techman:)

And another episode has some other Maquis wishing they could do things their way on Voyager and he beats one of them up, saying something like "You want the Maquis way? Well, that's it."

So I never saw any indication that Chakotay was unhappy with Starfleet in general or couldn't tolerate its regs. He would never have become a senior officer if he had.

the Cardassians who got the lionshare of the thumping from the Marquis wouldn't see the Marquis as a rag tag bunch of plucky freedom fighters.

They are the boogyman.

The crew of the Bok'Nor would definitely agree...
 
The cause of their anger which caused a lot of them to turn in their badges and joining the Maquis was resolved-the cardassians were broken, the female changeling in prison, and those settlements gone. The issue was resolved-not in a way the Maquis would have liked but still resolved.
 
That seems a bit exaggerated to me.
It was war times so a lot of people did kill each other.

Sorry but war times does not justify all abuses,regardless forces.

There are no records which states that Chakotay's crew did commit any mass murders against innocent civilians.

The problem is not here. In acting on behalf of the Maquis, Chakotay and his crew became complicit in everything the Maquis could do. Plus, Chakotay acknowledged himself having used violence more often than reason before understanding that it existed there were other ways to resolve situations, what could implicitly mean that it has had recourse to violence by the past (perhaps it is even where he got his nickname of "Angry Warrior").
IF Chakotay had to be presented in a court of justice, military or civilian, he would be presented as one of Maquis leaders, whose the actions of his brigade had been particularly noted by Starfleet & the Federation.

Besides that, when Voyager got back, the war against the Dominion was over and all charges against former Maquis were dropped.

How do you know that? Producers/writers have never been beyond Voyager's return to a safer space that was the AQ. Of course, we can justify the lack of time and money to shoot a trial's scene (which was written in Endgame's script even if the decision was never mentioned) but the lack of real closure also allowed the fans to imagine the end they wanted. As for the Voyager's novels, they were all non-canon and this is not because the studios/creators/producers have opposed any veto that they agreed with the varied storylines offered. They only saw the financial windfall that these novels brought.

By the way, a military court will (more or less) justify the decisions and actions committed by one of its representatives as part of his/her mission (cf to Janeway). By cons, it may be no mercy to a former officer, who would be considered as a traitor or terrorist, regardless the reasons for his change of heart. As for a civilian court, even if its deliberations will be more open, because considering all opinions, Chakotay will not get out pardoned but sanctioned with the mitigating circumstances.
-> even if they would understand the reasons behind their fight against Cardassians, Chakotay and his friends actions would be seriously questioned.

The only one who would have been court martialed was Suder who actually murdered a crew member on Voyager.

It will be a minimum but I'm pretty sure that more or less serious offenses will be found out. you can rely on Tuvok's reports.
 
Sorry but war times does not justify all abuses,regardless forces.



The problem is not here. In acting on behalf of the Maquis, Chakotay and his crew became complicit in everything the Maquis could do. Plus, Chakotay acknowledged himself having used violence more often than reason before understanding that it existed there were other ways to resolve situations, what could implicitly mean that it has had recourse to violence by the past (perhaps it is even where he got his nickname of "Angry Warrior").
IF Chakotay had to be presented in a court of justice, military or civilian, he would be presented as one of Maquis leaders, whose the actions of his brigade had been particularly noted by Starfleet & the Federation.



How do you know that? Producers/writers have never been beyond Voyager's return to a safer space that was the AQ. Of course, we can justify the lack of time and money to shoot a trial's scene (which was written in Endgame's script even if the decision was never mentioned) but the lack of real closure also allowed the fans to imagine the end they wanted. As for the Voyager's novels, they were all non-canon and this is not because the studios/creators/producers have opposed any veto that they agreed with the varied storylines offered. They only saw the financial windfall that these novels brought.

By the way, a military court will (more or less) justify the decisions and actions committed by one of its representatives as part of his/her mission (cf to Janeway). By cons, it may be no mercy to a former officer, who would be considered as a traitor or terrorist, regardless the reasons for his change of heart. As for a civilian court, even if its deliberations will be more open, because considering all opinions, Chakotay will not get out pardoned but sanctioned with the mitigating circumstances.
-> even if they would understand the reasons behind their fight against Cardassians, Chakotay and his friends actions would be seriously questioned.



It will be a minimum but I'm pretty sure that more or less serious offenses will be found out. you can rely on Tuvok's reports.
Honestly, I don't think that anyone bothered with all that when Voyager came back to Earth. They had had a terrible war which they won with sheer luck and Sisko's little plot to get the Romulans involved.
They were in the middle of rebuilding everything and were probably just happy to have Voyager and its crew back.
As for what happened beyond Voyagre's return, well we do have the different Relaunch series and since they are the only source available, they have to be considered as "canon".
 
That seems a bit exaggerated to me.
It was war times so a lot of people did kill each other.

What war are you referring to?

As for what happened beyond Voyagre's return, well we do have the different Relaunch series and since they are the only source available, they have to be considered as "canon".

No, no we don’t not in the slightest.
 
War Ship vs. Civilian ship?

Everyone on the other side of the wormhole is Dominon, even if a few worlds over there have not been reminded of that tidbit in a century or three.

Benign dictators.

Odo gave them the cure in the last minutes of What You leave Behind...

The Great Link is fine.

No. There was a lot of contact and mutual exchanges of data between the quadrants in the first season, without anyone mentioning the Dominion. And the same during the second season, except for two or three brief mentions, until the last episode of the second season where the Dominion was introduced in a big way. It seems pretty impossible for the various realms nearest to the wormhole mouth to be parts of the Dominion without mentioning it when talking with explorers from other realms.

It seems like a very basic and obvious thing to say that your overlords have 100,000 space battleships in their fleets and rule ten million planets, to any aliens that you meet, thus discouraging any ideas they might have about invading you. Of course if it is a lie they will find out eventually, but if it is true they will find out it is true.

Besides, the Jem-Hadar warned Starfleet and the Federation that if any space ships entered the Gamma Quadrant through the wormhole the Dominion would react violently. And the Federation and Starfleet continued to send ships through and permit ships to go through, and after a few years of that happening, a vast Dominion fleet invaded the Alpha Quadrant, beginning a bloody war that at one point was predicted to kill 600,000,000,000 Federation citizens.

Some people may wonder how the Federation could be so incredibly reckless with the lives of Federation citizens.

And it would have been many times worse if the Federation and Starfleet knew that the wormhole mouth in the Gamma Quadrant was within Dominion territory. In that case they really would be invading Dominion space and the Dominion would have been justified in forbidding Federation entry. If Starfleet knew that the wormhole mouth was in Dominion space, or if they were uncertain, they would never have permitted Alpha Quadrant ships through the wormhole. The only way Starfleet, the Federation Council, and the militarily weak Bajor would have let Alpha Quadrant ships pass through the wormhole would be if the alien civilizations living near the wormhole mouth proved that they did not belong to the Dominion, and thus that the Dominion had no right to restrict travel through the wormhole.
 
He resigned Starfleet before joining the Marquis so technically he didn't betray Starfleet. He was still a Federation citizen however but I expect those charges would have been dropped. By the time they got back they were old news.
 
No. There was a lot of contact and mutual exchanges of data between the quadrants in the first season, without anyone mentioning the Dominion. And the same during the second season, except for two or three brief mentions, until the last episode of the second season where the Dominion was introduced in a big way. It seems pretty impossible for the various realms nearest to the wormhole mouth to be parts of the Dominion without mentioning it when talking with explorers from other realms.

It seems like a very basic and obvious thing to say that your overlords have 100,000 space battleships in their fleets and rule ten million planets, to any aliens that you meet, thus discouraging any ideas they might have about invading you. Of course if it is a lie they will find out eventually, but if it is true they will find out it is true.

Besides, the Jem-Hadar warned Starfleet and the Federation that if any space ships entered the Gamma Quadrant through the wormhole the Dominion would react violently. And the Federation and Starfleet continued to send ships through and permit ships to go through, and after a few years of that happening, a vast Dominion fleet invaded the Alpha Quadrant, beginning a bloody war that at one point was predicted to kill 600,000,000,000 Federation citizens.

Some people may wonder how the Federation could be so incredibly reckless with the lives of Federation citizens.

And it would have been many times worse if the Federation and Starfleet knew that the wormhole mouth in the Gamma Quadrant was within Dominion territory. In that case they really would be invading Dominion space and the Dominion would have been justified in forbidding Federation entry. If Starfleet knew that the wormhole mouth was in Dominion space, or if they were uncertain, they would never have permitted Alpha Quadrant ships through the wormhole. The only way Starfleet, the Federation Council, and the militarily weak Bajor would have let Alpha Quadrant ships pass through the wormhole would be if the alien civilizations living near the wormhole mouth proved that they did not belong to the Dominion, and thus that the Dominion had no right to restrict travel through the wormhole.

It was the Ferengi who initiated first contact with the Dominion months before Bajor II was wiped off the board, because the Federation are a pack of dummies.

Donald Trump has publicly argued that Hawaii is not part of the USA, twice.

Geography is hard.
 
The Federation did not seem to regard the Maquis as a terrorist or criminal organization. They seemed to regard it as an organization whose members sometimes engaged in terrorism and other criminal activity.

I can't recall anyone ever being arrested for " being in the Maquis", they were arrested for specific crimes like "the theft of supplies from Starbase thusandsuch" or "purchasing illegal weapons".
And in those cases, it was always for actions taken within the Federation.
So it seems that the Federation was trying to be Switzerland in the war between Cardassia and the Maquis: as long as you keep your activities on your side of the border, we don't care.

Given what we know about Chakotay, he seems like exactly the kind of person to limit his attacks to outside Federation space and to targets that were either Cardassian or directly supporting the Cardassians.

So the Federation might not have any charges pending against Chakotay or any members of his crew from before they got taken to the Delta Quadrant.
 
The Federation did not seem to regard the Maquis as a terrorist or criminal organization. They seemed to regard it as an organization whose members sometimes engaged in terrorism and other criminal activity.

We condemn the activities of an organization (moral condemnation) but pursue and punish its members (legal sentence) so, at the end, it serve the same purpose: to get rid of it., right?! :whistle:

So the Federation might not have any charges pending against Chakotay or any members of his crew from before they got taken to the Delta Quadrant.

Well, if there was really no charge pending against any members of the Val Jean's crew, I don't think that the Federation - via its armed component = Starfleet - would have deployed as means to trace them (sending a spy, Tuvok, then a vessel, Voyager, an Intrepid-class starship, just out of the factory), to track down a Maquis ship in the Badlands. Plus, I remind you that as well Tom Paris as some Chakotay and B'Elena's knowledges still alive, found themselves in penal colonies and prisons of the Federation after being caught for their implications in the Maquis (cf to Caretaker & Hunters). So no, serious charges existed and according to some declarations from Starfleet Command in s5 or 6 via a video message, Janeway will be challenged to make her friends being out of the woods, even partially! Indeed, although admirals know perfectly the situation: that Janeway was forced to include Val Jean's rebels among her own crew and that thaks to their active collaboration, Voyager still flies), they still consider Chakotay and his friends as Maquis with all that implies. What isn't a good sign. In short! :shrug:
 
What war are you referring to?



No, no we don’t not in the slightest.

The war I mentioned was the Dominion war.
And yes, I do consider the relaunch books canon since it's the written story about Voyager since the series ended.
 
The war I mentioned was the Dominion war.
And yes, I do consider the relaunch books canon since it's the written story about Voyager since the series ended.
It didn't appear on screen therefore it's not actually canon.
 
We've seen glimpses of how Chakotay was treated after returning in the earth in alternate timelines like in episode "Timeless" and "Endgame". No mention of him receiving jail time there.
 
We've seen glimpses of how Chakotay was treated after returning in the earth in alternate timelines like in episode "Timeless" and "Endgame". No mention of him receiving jail time there.

Tessa was his parole officer.

She is still fudging the paper work on his community service hours in Timeless, while this titanic trio is trying to crack time travel and destroy the universe... Which may be why the episode is called Timeless, because Chuckles is not doing his mandated hours.
 
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