Chakotay facing jail time?

[Abi Smith]

So I'm sure we've all heard about the 'Court Martial of Captain Kathryn Janeway' but what about Chakotay and his Maquis crew?
Let us consider.
The Val Jean contained at least one homocidal psychopath, Suder, at least one person who joined to kill as many Cardassians as possible, Dalby and one person who reprogrammed a weapon of mass destruction to attack a fuel depot that had a similar population size to Rakosa V, B'Elanna Torres.
We also have two spies on board, Seska and Tuvok, so both the Federation and the Cardassians were willing to expend time, effort and resources to track the Val Jean's activities.
What can we draw from this? Clearly Chakotay's crew posed a serious threat, responsible for numerous mass murders.

 

[Sophie74656]

Responsible for numerous mass murders?

What court martial of Janeway?

 

[Lynx]

So I'm sure we've all heard about the 'Court Martial of Captain Kathryn Janeway' but what about Chakotay and his Maquis crew?
Let us consider.
The Val Jean contained at least one homocidal psychopath, Suder, at least one person who joined to kill as many Cardassians as possible, Dalby and one person who reprogrammed a weapon of mass destruction to attack a fuel depot that had a similar population size to Rakosa V, B'Elanna Torres.
We also have two spies on board, Seska and Tuvok, so both the Federation and the Cardassians were willing to expend time, effort and resources to track the Val Jean's activities.
What can we draw from this? Clearly Chakotay's crew posed a serious threat, responsible for numerous mass murders.

That seems a bit exaggerated to me.
It was war times so a lot of people did kill each other. What about Sisko in that case. His actions against the Dominion weren't always as nice either.
There are no records which states that Chakotay's crew did commit any mass murders against innocent civilians.
Besides that, when Voyager got back, the war against the Dominion was over and all charges against former Maquis were dropped.
The only one who would have been court martialed was Suder who actually murdered a crew member on Voyager.

 

[Abi Smith]

My question is whether, based on the crew, we can infer that Chakotay and his crew did some particularly heinous things.

 

[dauntless]

Responsible for numerous mass murders?

What court martial of Janeway?

Didn't it feature in the Jeri Taylor book, Mosaic?

 

[Terok Nor]

Chakotay and his Maquis crewmembers would surely be pardoned of all crimes having spent 7 years as upstanding Starfleet officers who saved lives from the likes of the Borg and Species 8472.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Nope.

Pardoned for unspecified crimes, maybe... But what about specified crimes?

There are probably corpses.

Grieving families demanding vengeance on both sides of what used to be the DMZ.

What about Dreadnought?

That can't have been the only time that Chakotay had a conversation about killing millions of people with a WMD, even if he punked out in this case.

 

[Timo]

Would we notice if there was jail time? It's a blink-and-you-miss-it think in Trek anyway: Garak got about six months for attempted genocide and attempted plunging of the galaxy into was where trillions might die. The same as Kasidy Yates for smuggling.

Which is quite understandable if the model of Dr. Adams remains in use. It probably indeed only takes about half a year to make these folks promise never to do it again, or they'll start hearing Beethoven and collapse in the corner weeping or whatever. Success rate seems high: as far as we know, neither Garak or Yates ever repeated their specific crime. Or Tom Paris, for that matter.

Would Chakotay be opposed to being brainwashed to never again briefly contemplating redirecting Cardassian WMDs to populous targets? Would the corrective action involve a stigma? Our DS9 ex-cons don't seem to carry one.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Terok Nor]

The Cardassians are no longer in any position to pose a threat to anyone. If The Maquis did rise up again it's likely they'd be dealing with the Klingons and Romulans. The Dominion might even still hold many DMZ settlements.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If the rule of law is on your side you don't need to thug it up.

You can just shame the Federation into living up to it's own laws to respect the laws of it's neighbours, though diplomacy and official channels.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The Cardassians are no longer in any position to pose a threat to anyone. If The Maquis did rise up again it's likely they'd be dealing with the Klingons and Romulans. The Dominion might even still hold many DMZ settlements.

I doubt it. The Klingons and Romulans are getting along with the Federation quite well at this point. I see no reason why they would insist on keeping whatever few worlds might be left with actual Federation colonists when there's plenty of Cardassian territory to go around. And I don't see any of the allies signing a peace treaty that allows the Dominion to hold a single ship or station in the Alpha quadrant, let alone whole planets or systems.

 

[Sophie74656]

Didn't it feature in the Jeri Taylor book, Mosaic?

I don't think so, but either way it's not canon

 

[Guy Gardener]

I doubt it. The Klingons and Romulans are getting along with the Federation quite well at this point. I see no reason why they would insist on keeping whatever few worlds might be left with actual Federation colonists when there's plenty of Cardassian territory to go around. And I don't see any of the allies signing a peace treaty that allows the Dominion to hold a single ship or station in the Alpha quadrant, let alone whole planets or systems.

The Dominion controls the Gamma Quadrant.

The wormhole is useless if the Dominion doesn't let the AQ visit.

And vices versus.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The Dominion controls the Gamma Quadrant.

The wormhole is useless if the Dominion doesn't let the AQ visit.

And vices versus.

Well, I'm pretty sure at this point in time that the Federation would assert control of both ends of the wormhole. Which shouldn't be difficult since the Founders need the cure asap and the show specifically said that Dominion territory is actually a fair distance away from the wormhole.

But even if not, the Federation would probably mine up the wormhole all over again before allowing a single Dominion ship or station to remain on the wrong side of it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

War Ship vs. Civilian ship?

Everyone on the other side of the wormhole is Dominon, even if a few worlds over there have not been reminded of that tidbit in a century or three.

Benign dictators.

Odo gave them the cure in the last minutes of What You leave Behind...

The Great Link is fine.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

He gave the cure to the female founder. The Federation dictated the terms of her return to the Great Link.

And there may be room for the Karemma or other Dominion merchants to trade with the Federation in the future, but it will likely take some time and I still don't see them being allowed any permanent bases in the forseeable future.

 

[Terok Nor]

The Female Changeling didn't go back to the Great Link did she? I thought she was arrested for war crimes and Odo went in her place with the cure.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yeah.

Kira was sad because her boyfriend had split.

 

[Terok Nor]

Yeah.

Kira was sad because her boyfriend had split.

She should've been used to him splitting....melting....sinking....

 

[Guy Gardener]

So they didn't need a third contributor to do an Eiffle Tower?

Sweet!