Chabon honors women Trek writers and fans

[urbandk]

New Instagram post highlights debt PIC owes to Snodgrass for "Measure of a Man" and Maddox and the multifaceted contributions of women creators and fans to trek over the years.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B89vPpUAPAx/?igshid=twlmlt6fusw1

 

[Bad Thoughts]

IIRC, Snodgrass had to fight hard for the script. Apparently Gene agreed with Maddox: if Starfleet wanted to disassemble Data, he should go along with it.

 

[Hythlodeus]

He's a class act. I like him

 

[Agony_Boothb]

IIRC, Snodgrass had to fight hard for the script. Apparently Gene agreed with Maddox: if Starfleet wanted to disassemble Data, he should go along with it.

But.. But Genes vision!

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Chabon is an interesting guy. I have read Kavalier and Klay, but I read a few of his novels, which are generally good.

Snodgrass had some good stories. I'm not sure why she clashed with Piller.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

IIRC, Snodgrass had to fight hard for the script. Apparently Gene agreed with Maddox: if Starfleet wanted to disassemble Data, he should go along with it.

That's not entirely accurate. Roddenberry objected to the script because he felt lawyers would be obsolete in his enlightened 24th Century.

"As to the issue of law in Gene's vision. He nearly killed 'The Measure of a Man' because according to Gene there were no lawyers in the 24th century because if people had criminal intentions they 'had their minds made right'. I found that chilling. I also pointed out that you have contracts that have to be negotiated and conflicts of law between different legal systems, and divorces, etc. etc. There was no way there would be no lawyers in the future."

—Melissa Snodgrass
Source: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Measure_Of_A_Man_(episode)

 

[The Old Mixer]

Gene's Vision...was pretty loopy.

 

[Yistaan]

That's not entirely accurate. Roddenberry objected to the script because he felt lawyers would be obsolete in his enlightened 24th Century.

"As to the issue of law in Gene's vision. He nearly killed 'The Measure of a Man' because according to Gene there were no lawyers in the 24th century because if people had criminal intentions they 'had their minds made right'. I found that chilling. I also pointed out that you have contracts that have to be negotiated and conflicts of law between different legal systems, and divorces, etc. etc. There was no way there would be no lawyers in the future."

—Melinda Snodgrass
Source: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Measure_Of_A_Man_(episode)

I didn't know we have Melinda to thank for extended "Measure of a Man" because she saved an old videotape!

I'm trying to think how the Federation can forcibly recondition criminals to have "their minds made right". Ceti eels? Vulcan mindmeld brainwashing? Lock them in a holodeck with recreations of criminal temptations and don't let them out until they pass the test?

 

[Bad Thoughts]

That's not entirely accurate. Roddenberry objected to the script because he felt lawyers would be obsolete in his enlightened 24th Century.

“Also, Data would be delighted to be dissected!”

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

“Also, Data would be delighted to be dissected!”

I stand corrected.

 

[Gov Kodos]

That's not entirely accurate. Roddenberry objected to the script because he felt lawyers would be obsolete in his enlightened 24th Century.

Poor Areel and Sam.

 

[SolarisOne]

But.. But Genes vision!

Screw Gene's vision.

Also, BINGO! (Yet again. The PIC forum is on a roll today.)

 

[DaveyNY]

Oh man, this is sooo gonna set off the 'downtrodden-basement living-SWJ fearing' subset of Trek fandom.

Ain't it Glorious.

 

[Cyrus]

Snodgrass had some good stories. I'm not sure why she clashed with Piller.

The entire returning staff (Snodgrass, Beimler, Manning) clashed with Piller and eventually left. This gave Piller a chance to assemble his own staff (Behr, Moore, Taylor, Braga, etc). But after the series ended Piller picked Snodgrass' episode (Mearure of a Man) as his favorite TNG episode even though it was made before he became the showrunner.

 

[Yistaan]

The entire returning staff (Snodgrass, Beimler, Manning) clashed with Piller and eventually left. This gave Piller a chance to assemble his own staff (Behr, Moore, Taylor, Braga, etc). But after the series ended Piller picked Snodgrass' episode (Mearure of a Man) as his favorite TNG episode even though it was made before he became the showrunner.

Reminds me of the Trek writer fights we had with Discovery not too long ago, with Harberts and Berg accused of stuff and Kurtzman coming in and taking over.

 

[Cyrus]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MMSnodgrass/status/1232127770152407040

 

[Jayson1]

Wasn't Rick Berman and Maurice Hurley running things in season 2? Wouldn't Snodgrass be dealing more with them more than Roddenberry when it comes to the script?


Jason

 

[Jedi_Master]

That's not entirely accurate. Roddenberry objected to the script because he felt lawyers would be obsolete in his enlightened 24th Century.

They were all replaced with Love Instructors.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Wasn't Rick Berman and Maurice Hurley running things in season 2? Wouldn't Snodgrass be dealing more with them more than Roddenberry when it comes to the script?


Jason

In season two and three, Roddenberry was still inserting his editorial input. There were certainly stories he turned down or demanded be rewritten.

 

[urbandk]

They were all replaced with Love Instructors.

I don't know about you, but I name all my kids after my wife's love instructors.