CGI artists put themselves into TOS
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No, they aren't changing the composition of the scenes...
They are going to get plenty of credit, and $$$$$$$.
They are going to get plenty of credit, and $$$$$$$.
Thus far, to my surprise, the CG staff has been getting no screen credit at all.
If the folks who appear onscreen in the matte replacement receive any additional pay at all, it'd be the day rate for a television extra. I doubt that they're getting that.
whats the problem? We want crappy static matte paintings?
If we want to see people moving around in them they have to come from somewhere. Id rather see real people than pay actors. Or badly copy and paste extras from other episode and wonder why the ST universe is full of clones badly spliced into scenes.
If we want to see people moving around in them they have to come from somewhere. Id rather see real people than pay actors. Or badly copy and paste extras from other episode and wonder why the ST universe is full of clones badly spliced into scenes.
Cool for them but is it really the ethical things to do?
you people realise these people are just a few pixels tall in these shots. It is just the easiest way to put people in. Even in the HD version zoomed in there is no way you could recognize anyone.
...boy some people will really bitch about anything
...boy some people will really bitch about anything
It's not like they're putting themselves in at Navigator or making themselves one of Khan's followers. *That* would be a bit dodgy.This is nothing. Lets talk about nacelle caps or invisible tractor beams or something so very, very important.
Joe, who will be pixilated in as the Third Letch on Left in "Wolf in the Fold"
I'm serious!! Unforgiveable! 
COOL!
Count me in with that! I've always wanted to be part of a TREK episode...and wear a skin-tight hooded jumpsuit that makes me look like a sperm from a Woody Allen movie.
Is this the time for a LOL?
Tell me aobut it!
Every time a Trek:"Remastered" CG artist puts a tiny pixelated image of himself in a matte-painting in the TOS we help the terrorists win.
I'm sorry, but their doing this is a fanboy wank-off to the "n"th degree. Worse is that they're BRAGGING about doing it.
I'm as bothered by the attitude as the substance, and it will be more than "a few pixels," or else why craft recognizeable figures at all? And if you have to put in new figures, why not start with Roddenberry, Coon, Fontana and Justman? Make it a tribute -- show some class -- and not a "shout out," or a computerized scrawl announcing that Kilroy was here.
Forgive me for wanting to believe that recorded drama is not infinitely malleable. There will come the day when, as the above posters have joked, all you will have to do is pay enough money to be inserted into TOS or "It's a Wonderful Life" or whatever's next on the CGI chopping block.
This is not adding to the SFX. This is graffiti.
I'm as bothered by the attitude as the substance, and it will be more than "a few pixels," or else why craft recognizeable figures at all? And if you have to put in new figures, why not start with Roddenberry, Coon, Fontana and Justman? Make it a tribute -- show some class -- and not a "shout out," or a computerized scrawl announcing that Kilroy was here.
Forgive me for wanting to believe that recorded drama is not infinitely malleable. There will come the day when, as the above posters have joked, all you will have to do is pay enough money to be inserted into TOS or "It's a Wonderful Life" or whatever's next on the CGI chopping block.
This is not adding to the SFX. This is graffiti.
So, when the workman in "Devil in the Dark" was just some guy, it was okay, but once you find out it was just some guy that was in the office that they stuck into the episode because they have no budget and a big blue wall and its the easiest way to add a figure, it's a sin against God.
Trust me, if you've need to have someone walking in the distance, it's much easier to just stick in a filmed bluescreen element of a guy wearing whatever was in the the closet that'll make sense in the shot then modeling one and animating a walking cycle. More natural-looking, too.
How should they add people to the matte paintings, pray tell, if they cannot use themselves, and making little 3D people is impractical and ugly? Hire extras, and end up paying some sum of money and taking the time to hire them when they could've done it in five minutes for free with people interested in doing it right who know exactly what's needed?
Trust me, if you've need to have someone walking in the distance, it's much easier to just stick in a filmed bluescreen element of a guy wearing whatever was in the the closet that'll make sense in the shot then modeling one and animating a walking cycle. More natural-looking, too.
How should they add people to the matte paintings, pray tell, if they cannot use themselves, and making little 3D people is impractical and ugly? Hire extras, and end up paying some sum of money and taking the time to hire them when they could've done it in five minutes for free with people interested in doing it right who know exactly what's needed?
Blow things out of porportion much?
Where would they get a viable model of Roddenbery, Coon, Justman, or anyone else?
All they did was use themselves for unnoticable sprites in the mattes/establishing shots. It isn't like they inserting themselves into the corridors or anything like that.
This is no big deal.