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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Score!!

I mean, seriously, credit where credit's due.

So corporate sponsorship, huh? I see a new round of learning about something I've only had a passing knowledge of. :lol:

Google:
Corporate sponsorship is a form of advertising in which companies pay to be associated with certain events. When the sponsorship of a nonprofit or charitable event is involved, the sponsorship activity is often referred to as event marketing or cause marketing.
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Corporate sponsorships attract the attention of for-profit businesses because sponsorships offer public recognition of the business’s connection with a certain charitable cause, which may help businesses attract new customers or bolster the company’s reputation because of the “halo effect” of the nonprofit’s good will. Charitable nonprofits, in turn, receive financial support and may also experience increased attention from the media and the public, in-kind services, and/or product donations.
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So my hope is:
This will go at least some way in better serving the defendant's future customers. Unlike so many of we donors currently who in less than two years went from 15,000 strong down to the now 300something. 15,000 we were. And in the defendant's recent past business dealings, and further in his past business dealings. And get THE products they give good money for.... and believe in. Maybe not be misused by the defendant like so many have reported being over the years in his past business practices.... and currently. Maybe less duplicitiously. Hopefully less viciously.

So my hope with this new chapter is for the future customers.

History, leopard, spots, weigh heavily on me as I think of them. It can't get worse for the future 'us' can it? Maybe they won't experience what so many of us and those who have come before even us with this defendant's years of business dealings.

The future customers. My hope is for them.
 
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Okay. One shoe down. :lol: :lol:

I wait for the other one to drop.

CA


What was that article that Sandy Greenberg wrote? 'The Troll That [the defendant] Created'? Something like that.

*I* am the skeptic the defendant created.

Sometimes ya just gotta laugh about stuff.

:lol:

So I'm off to watch Joss Whedon's Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog with a couple of friends! Serendipitously fitting in this newest chapter of thiswholething don't you think?
 
jespah said:
They will be a lot more insistent on a return and on true transparency, and presumably a lot less acting on blind faith.
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True, but I'm still betting he's not making another film.

He'll start by stretching all the usual production delays while milking OWG for as much money as he can, then he'll add really heartfelt OWG promos to Prelude and Vulcanchat to prove "See? People are seeing your name associated with beloved content!", and he'll keep doing variations on same until OWG finally gets impatient enough to sue his ass for breach of contract, at which time the lawyer-by-training will have to contend with another lawsuit, which he will blame for the continued lack of an Axanar film.

I'd like to be wrong. It would be nice to be wrong, but until the fucker proves me wrong, I stand by my prediction: "He ain't making another film."
 
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Usually when a tech company makes an alliance like this it is because they are trying to bag bigger game or expand into a new target industry, and they need visibility and instant track record.

In an expanding market like CGI, there will be client companies like advertisers with big pockets and little knowledge of the competition for their money. OWG can get in those RFP processes due to the appearance of credibility of this small project and its "47 awards" and the Trek name (another company trading on the value of the Trek IP - wonder where that might lead)... and maybe an insider making a referral, like Mr. Bawden. OWG will win a few reasonable sized contracts this way, and get what *it* wants. Not to mention catching eyes at trade shows with the ships running on a screen somewhere in their booth...

Its cynical but its business. This buys them credibility to get into RFPs for real business. It buys them PR if they are careful to use it in small doses that don't provoke lawsuit-remembering. It also means they are not likely to look askance at this-week-in-bankruptcy-Worx's schedule. In fact, OWG might be exploitable to a certain limit as a party who can be pressured to clean up messes so as to not have damage done to their name.

Only if TwibWorx commits another scandal, or if somehow their alliance snags on a due diligence review in the big-pocket RFP process, will the marriage of convenience be a business liability. Corps tend to ignore 'past life' businesses since who doesn't have some failures in their past, unless it hard stops against some ethics or other standard.

Where it could get to be fun is if they make joint RFP responses, proposing the TwibWorx staff and history as part of what the big-pocket client would get as their service provider. Don't know who would have the nerve to do this, but if its basically also a TwibWorx-as-target takeover situation so that the sponsor can have a 'studio' (and they did put their name on it), it might happen.

This would essentially mean that Alec sold yet another part of the donors' proceeds, the credibility of the donor-funded clips, for cash for his business instead of for Axanar.
 
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jespah said:
They will be a lot more insistent on a return and on true transparency, and presumably a lot less acting on blind faith.
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I hate to disagree with you, but I'm not sold on the idea that this will force him to be accountable or actually earn a living.

Even a Pakled could see who and what he is, but these guys aren't new to the Peters game. I get the feeling whoever made this decision, or endorsed it to a decision maker, is part of the 'cult' of Peters and blinkered to the reality of him producing sweet feck all.

I mean, *I* have achieved more than me has. I am absolutely nobody, of no worth or importance. And I got lucky enough once for someone to pay for my nonsense (turned out to be a good investment though). I don't trust that this isn't another boost for Peters egomania or that he'll escape any repercussions of failing the next round of whatever he doesn't get round to doing.
 
So, if AP is going for a non-profit status, how does that jive with "partnering" with an obviously for-profit company? Are they donating computer equipment for post-production? This just seems like a really oddball move, even for him.
jamestyler said:
I mean, *I* have achieved more than me has. I am absolutely nobody, of no worth or importance.
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Good point (although I would not say of "no worth")... Hell, by that definition, I, too, have accomplished more than AP with my little "Dilithium and You" project from over 2 decades ago with comparatively primitive equipment and zero donation dollars.

2 decades...shit, has it been that long? :eek:
 
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137th Gebirg said:
So, if AP is going for a non-profit status, how does that jive with "partnering" with an obviously for-profit company? Are they donating computer equipment for post-production? This just seems like a really oddball move, even for him.
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Axanar productions was going to be non-profit but axanar productios is no more after the two 15 minute films are bade.
 
Hey, good news! If we donate enough to Alec's private fundraiser, in addition to being allowed to make our own Axanar content, he'll also let us make our own stuff about Space:1999, Aqualad, Denver The Last Dinosaur, and Skeeter from Muppet Babies!
 
ThankYouGeneR said:
Score!!

I mean, seriously, credit where credit's due.

So corporate sponsorship, huh? I see a new round of learning about something I've only had a passing knowledge of. :lol:

Google:





So my hope is:
This will go at least some way in better serving the defendant's future customers. Unlike so many of we donors currently who in less than two years went from 15,000 strong down to the now 300something. 15,000 we were. And in the defendant's recent past business dealings, and further in his past business dealings. And get THE products they give good money for.... and believe in. Maybe not be misused by the defendant like so many have reported being over the years in his past business practices.... and currently. Maybe less duplicitiously. Hopefully less viciously.

So my hope with this new chapter is for them.

History, leopard, spots, weigh heavily on me as I think of them. It can't get worse for the future 'us' can it? Maybe they won't experience what so many of us and those who have come before even us with this defendant's years of business dealings.

My hope is for them.
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Uh...WTF?
 
ThankYouGeneR said:
Score!!

I mean, seriously, credit where credit's due.

So corporate sponsorship, huh? I see a new round of learning about something I've only had a passing knowledge of. :lol:

Google:





So my hope is:
This will go at least some way in better serving the defendant's future customers. Unlike so many of we donors currently who in less than two years went from 15,000 strong down to the now 300something. 15,000 we were. And in the defendant's recent past business dealings, and further in his past business dealings. And get THE products they give good money for.... and believe in. Maybe not be misused by the defendant like so many have reported being over the years in his past business practices.... and currently. Maybe less duplicitiously. Hopefully less viciously.

So my hope with this new chapter is for them.

History, leopard, spots, weigh heavily on me as I think of them. It can't get worse for the future 'us' can it? Maybe they won't experience what so many of us and those who have come before even us with this defendant's years of business dealings.

My hope is for them.
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Where is there ANY evdence Alec is going to anything different this time then any other time?
 
One difference I see between AP and a normal, everyday con man, is that Lord Axahat seems to have a desperate need to be recognized as important to the fan community. A regular grifter would just take the money and move on to the next con, but Peters keeps going back to the same well. That's his Achilles heel, and will ultimately be his downfall.

I'm not a p-sychiatrist (thanks, Radar!), but there's a pattern here. :techman:
 
If, and it's a bigass IF in capital IFs, the two segments ever get made it won't be because AP is some kind of genius producer. Other people will carry the water and he'll take the credit.
 
urbandefault said:
One difference I see between AP and a normal, everyday con man, is that Lord Axahat seems to have a desperate need to be recognized as important to the fan community.
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Funny you should mention that. Axafan Reece Watkins just shared the following screed in the The REAL Truth About Axanar Facebook group:
There's something I think that has been forgotten over the past seventeen months, and it should not have been. Alec Peters saved Star Trek fan films. Despite having to endure a lawsuit, petty squabbles from disgruntled teammates, and the constant harassment from a self-appointed lynch mob of haters, Alec did not quit, and has not quit, trying to keep Star Trek fan films going.

Before Alec's stand against the lawsuit, there were no Guidelines from CBS at all. While some of the guidelines seem petty and unfair, fan film producers do now have a clear line marking what they can freely do without risking getting bankrupted out of the blue. We didn't have that before. Alec did every thing he could to open a dialogue with CBS about guidelines or licensing before the lawsuit, even as far back as November of 2014, but CBS would not provide any. That is, until Alec's resolute stand gained national attention last summer during the 50th Anniversary year.

While ultimately the guidelines severely limited Alec's ability to produce the film he set out to, he still pressed on where lesser men would have given up, ran off, or sold out their dreams, and cheaply. And now, for not folding under the pressure of the past year and a half, Alec is in a brand new facility, the beautiful sets rescued from impending destruction and ready for the finishing assemblies, with a new company and a new patron, still doing his absolute best to make, and help others make Star Trek for the fans, by the fans. Love him or hate him, you have to respect him for that, at the very least.

So, thank you, Alec, for all you've done for fan films, and all you continue to do, now that the long storm is finally giving way to clear skies. Live long, and prosper, just as you've helped fan films do the same.
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/258982371228800/permalink/272952423165128/
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