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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Hi @dmac ,
your advice is great for everyone that really wants to create a fan film. But wouldn't you like to do it as a job? Or at least capitalize on it?
 
Funny watching the Trek yards, I almost wish one was anti-Axanar and one pro it would make for a real keen interview.
 
Hi @dmac ,
your advice is great for everyone that really wants to create a fan film. But wouldn't you like to do it as a job? Or at least capitalize on it?
Heck, I love capitalizing, started my own company 29 years ago and nearly 43 years in this line of work. So that's like 14 years in the university of hard knocks
Delivering a product and then getting paid is capitalism, working with other peoples money is an investment and taking the money & run is a con mans game.
 
Alec can write 'meta' books I suppose, "making of..", "how to build a studio on other's money" etc.

But he isn't free to create Trek content in audio and other formats. He can't just expand into anything. The court decision didn't give him any sort of license to do anything except make an axanar film and other films following the guidelines.

All other ways Trek IP (audiobook, merchandise, etc.) could be expressed are still fully protected, and any attempt to expand into them as "fan" profit efforts would doubtless be met with an anaphylactic shock reaction from the studios and court. He's already stung them once.

Thus I am not seeing where any "empire" of Trek can be spun out of this full caving to the guidelines.
@muCephi, did you listen to that recent trekyards interview with AP? I don't blame you if you didn't, it''s filled AP grandstanding while being treated as the second coming of Garth. I listened to it and every explanation AP had regarding his behavior, the money, and the lawsuit is .... If you're a true Axanar fan (cash cow donor) it doesn't matter. Seriously, that's his go-to pat answer.
 
Hi guys,
that's what I've been pondering for over a year now. Been reading this thread because a colleague donated to "Axanar" and I must say: brilliant. See, we do the kind of service jobs that some people (you know who I mean) look down on. We're the people that "haven't achieved anything in life" and would like to change that. And seriously, before this thing triggers changes to all the crowdfunding and copyright rules and regulations and laws... I would REALLY like to pull off something like that myself because I could do with my own studio to rent out (I can do without a "Executive Producer" title, also I don't need a "calling card into the industry" for this one time ripoff). I love Star Trek but apparently that's been taken... so my question is... can you think of another franchise who's IP holders might be as relaxed as CBS/Paramount with a large enough fan base to support something like this? I was thinking A-Team (but there was a movie recently), MacGyver (but there was another show recently), Knight Rider (I don't think they made much recently after all the spin-offs, can't be that hard to get your hands on a KITT replica, we're all fans, right?)... or... IDK... Firefly? Without somebody like George Takei endorsing the project in the beginning we'll probably don't raise as much, but hey, I'll settle for quarter or half a million as well, or some nice asset. Before you shout: Troll! I'm not sure how for how much longer I can do my current job, and my retirement fund doesn't look great so I'm really tempted to do something like that. Before you shout: Boo, illegal! Well is it really? We know somebody who got away with it. Also Mommy let me stay awake to watch *put in your favourite tv show here* so i'm a superfan and I and the fans basically own *put in name of franchise here* because I spent so much on it over the years and the IP holder doesn't do anything with it anyway. So... who's with me? Any input (PM or here) appreciated because I would really like to run around with a MacBook and an iPhone I haven't paid for and fly cool places to do my con(vention)s. Like J. Lane said. Fan Films are a brand new industry. I know they shouldn't be, but if there's bucks to be made? I've grown less picky in recent years. Do you think it's a problem that I don't know much about volleyball? Somebody's gotta be the keeper of the faith with the fans of *put in your favourite franchise here*. Sorry about my lousy English, I don't live in the US or GB.
thanks & BR
:lol: I luved it :lol: You nailed bunches of those 'special' things too. "Mommy lets me", "We're the people who haven't achieved anything", "(you know who I mean)", "I could do with my own studio to rent out", "I would really like to run around with a MacBook & iPhone I haven't paid for & fly to cool places to do my con(vention)s".

And all those other points you captured so well! :lol:

This was terrific! Big kudos to ya.
 
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I want to see all his bank and credit card statements from the moment he started fundraising to the present.
I doubt even that would dissuade the faithful from their belief that Peters can do no wrong. I really think that any item contained within those documents that would appear suspect to us his supporters would happily accept as necessary if he told them it was.
 
I see the latest controversy is over what actually was funded from the Indiegogo with Alec now claiming only a third could be made, contradicting their earlier stance that they would make the first half (of course that all should've covered the now 2x15 minutes anyway).

It's interesting as I can remember from their post-Indiegogo podcast them discussing the options after it had clearly underperformed. My reading was it was very much RMB pushing to make the first half with what they'd raised (the right call in my opinion) whereas Alec seemed less convinced.

Of course given public statements that the money's all gone anyway I wonder why the change in narrative. Surely "we were poised to shoot half the film before the lawsuit" is better than somehow only being set for a third of the feature?
 
@muCephi, did you listen to that recent trekyards interview with AP? I don't blame you if you didn't, it''s filled AP grandstanding while being treated as the second coming of Garth. I listened to it and every explanation AP had regarding his behavior, the money, and the lawsuit is .... If you're a true Axanar fan (cash cow donor) it doesn't matter. Seriously, that's his go-to pat answer.

Not yet. I'm thinking he can try to get Trek turf out of Garth until the cows come home, but everyone is gonna get tired of it pretty quick, its self limiting. Yea, Garth again, whatever.

I doubt even that would dissuade the faithful from their belief that Peters can do no wrong. I really think that any item contained within those documents that would appear suspect to us his supporters would happily accept as necessary if he told them it was.

When there is a lot of crap just beneath the veneer or respectability that true believers hold, things can go south really quickly because of one too many outrages. If for example the production of actual Axanar content is now subject to more excuses, it could precipitate the change. If some govt agencies came after him, this could bring a lot of support down -- look at the reputation of tax fraud televangelists for example. They may survive over time, but only after they lose their vehicle and confess their sins.

Of course given public statements that the money's all gone anyway I wonder why the change in narrative. Surely "we were poised to shoot half the film before the lawsuit" is better than somehow only being set for a third of the feature?

Who can contradict them? But still, the lawsuit wiped out the budget? Because they had to spend it on rent? Doesn't follow. They were out of money in early 2016. They spent it on BUILDING the studio, not renting it. Thats material assets directly owned by Alec personally, and it used up the budget, not the rent in 2016 during the lawsuit.

"What is great is that Axanar is now a piece of Star Trek history. It is famous (some would say infamous!) and Richard Hatch’s Kharn the Undying is seen by many as one of the great Klingons in Star Trek."

http://www.axanarproductions.com/captains-log-feb-12th-2017/

So Alec shows his priorities. He wanted his *prospective* project and thus his name to be part of Trek history. *That's* what's great about Axanar. *Not* that donors got their film.

And I agree, given Mr. Hatch didn't get to act enough to establish the character as a "great" element of Trek, saying this is really just trading on Mr. Hatch's name to inflate the importance of Axanar.
 
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