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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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captainkirk said:
If you want comedy gold you have to read Lane's comments from that FFF article.

Aside from the fact that I doubt all 8000 members are active, the ones that are active are almost entirely the Church of Alec congregation who will never admit that he did anything wrong.
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That the thing that Lane doesn't seem to get. There were 8,000 people who donated, but just like how fandom in general probably doesn't give two fucks about fan-films, a good portion of these 8,000 gave money and moved on. Or was just hoping for a perk.
 
Michael Hinman said:
That the thing that Lane doesn't seem to get. There were 8,000 people who donated, but just like how fandom in general probably doesn't give two fucks about fan-films, a good portion of these 8,000 gave money and moved on. Or was just hoping for a perk.
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I've looked at Lane's blog. I don't see thousands of fans posting there. I don't see thousands of fans posting at the Axanar Productions site. Ditto Kickstarter and Indiegogo. Unless a person is following the lawsuit it seems most people have left and as you said, moved on.
 
Michael Hinman said:
That the thing that Lane doesn't seem to get. There were 8,000 people who donated, but just like how fandom in general probably doesn't give two fucks about fan-films, a good portion of these 8,000 gave money and moved on. Or was just hoping for a perk.
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yea, that 8000 in reality is (and ya gotta turn the sound up):

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Red Shirt said:
I've looked at Lane's blog. I don't see thousands of fans posting there. I don't see thousands of fans posting at the Axanar Productions site. Ditto Kickstarter and Indiegogo. Unless a person is following the lawsuit it seems most people have left and as you said, moved on.
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Most of those 8,000 learned the lesson that it is easier and more satisfying to take their money and flush it down the toilet, as opposed to giving it to Alec Peters.
 
Red Shirt said:
Here's the CBS/P v Axanar court documents filed on 11/28/16.

L&L
http://fanfilmfactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Plaintiffs-opposition-11-28.pdf

W&S
http://fanfilmfactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Defense-opposition-11-28.pdf
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With regard to the "how much money is left" discussion, interesting to note that L&L comments that "Peters unquestionably engaged in a commercial endeavor, raising and spending almost a million and a half dollars (much of it on his own personal expenses).", which would imply they feel he managed to vaporize all of the money raised.
 
drt said:
With regard to the "how much money is left" discussion, interesting to note that L&L comments that "Peters unquestionably engaged in a commercial endeavor, raising and spending almost a million and a half dollars (much of it on his own personal expenses).", which would imply they feel he managed to vaporize all of the money raised.
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Doesn't imply that at all. It simply recognises that Peters intended it to be a commercial business - which he did.
 
Smoked Salmon said:
Doesn't imply that at all. It simply recognises that Peters intended it to be a commercial business - which he did.
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Notwithstanding the word "vaporized" in the comment about the L&L quote, "raising and spending almost a million and a half dollars" also suggests to me that the business venture spent the money, which I think was the comment's point. Otherwise L&L's filing might have been phrased "raising nearly a million and a half dollars, and spending a million of it on the business and personal expenses". Is this also what you're getting at?
 
muCephi said:
Notwithstanding the word "vaporized" in the comment about the L&L quote, "raising and spending almost a million and a half dollars" also suggests to me that the business venture spent the money, which I think was the comment's point. Otherwise L&L's filing might have been phrased "raising nearly a million and a half dollars, and spending a million of it on the business and personal expenses". Is this also what you're getting at?
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No, I am saying that in that sentence the pleading doesn't claim that he exhausted all the funds. It merely describes what a proportion of the funds were used for.
 
jespah said:
Live streaming in maybe 5 - 10 minutes and yes, we will talk about this fun stuff (and also the Seuss v. Gerrold case):
http://www.gandtshow.com/streaming/

Thank you, as always, for your kind support.
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I found the podcast version of this episode on the website. (Though I met Gettysburg7 at Shore Leave a few years ago, I've never listened to an episode of the show.) I think you all said everything I thought about the Gerrold/Suess case. Gerrold is a smart guy. Glenn Hauman is a really smart guy. It still boggles my mind that they went and did this.
 
Smoked Salmon said:
No, I am saying that in that sentence the pleading doesn't claim that he exhausted all the funds. It merely describes what a proportion of the funds were used for.
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Ok, I think you are saying he could have spent the 1.5 but somehow it raised money, so one cannot infer that the funds of the company are exhausted simply from their examination of the expenditures. Fair enough.
 
muCephi said:
Ok, I think you are saying he could have spent the 1.5 but somehow it raised money, so one cannot infer that the funds of the company are exhausted simply from their examination of the expenditures. Fair enough.
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I don't know, I see a few chairs but I can't tell which one is the $2,000 Captain's Chair Alec has listed in the Prelude Budget.
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