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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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keel said:
With the way Paramount is cracking down on amateur fan productions, they've lost me from continuing to be a Star Trek fan. Their new movies tend to be so unbelievable, so juvenile, so teen-ager directed, that I don't care for them at all. That Paramount wants to crush fan-based productions, shows that they have no understanding of the fan base and what made Star Trek a success. If I were an exec at Paramount, I would embrace the fan productions and financially back them to some extent or support them in other ways. It's all about greed.
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Bye, Felicia.
 
Csalem said:
Comicbook.com have a post on the case where it reads like Paramount/CBS lodged papers to dismiss what JJ and Justin Lin said:
http://comicbook.com/2016/10/01/paramount-cbs-still-pursuing-lawsuit-over-fan-made-star-trek-fil/
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I 'think' what it means is that third parties who are not authorized to speak for them are irrelevant and would therefore move to dismiss motion to obtain any paper trail, etc. about C/P conversations at some point about the lawsuit going away. Right?


And re the article:
Again with this Speaking For All Fans?:
"Fans are still stunned by both the studios and their unwillingness to support the fan-made film." - article author​
Is that a fact or Opinion? Let's test that shall we? How many of we fans are stunned? There are multiple millions of us. Are multiple millions of us stunned? Several millions of us are stunned? Say, 50% of the millions of us stunned? 3/4ths of us stunned? All of us? Are you speaking for all of us? "Fans are still stunned..." I just can't measure the joy of you speaking for me and the millions of us..... anyway.... What percent of us even 'know' about this lawsuit? Of those who know how many of them even 'care' about it? And how many of those who care think the studios are not supportive of fan-made films? So, author of this article, how does your statement of fact test out? I mean that statement as it stands is clearly not based on fact is it. Since no, it would have to be Opinion. Yet.... you state it as fact. So what's up with that?

"While some may call it a 'fan film' as we are not licensed by CBS, Axanar has professionals working in front and behind the camera, with a fully-professional crew -- many of whom have worked on Star Trek itself -- who ensure Axanar will be the quality of Star Trek that all fans want to see,” -speaking for the production that is being sued.​
Really? How are they going to do that? How are they going to make a Star Trek ANYTHING, including merely quality of, that "all the millions of fans want to see"? I'd like to see how they are going to do that. Not even our own G.R. accomplished that.

Early days on when I was still a supporter/donor and learned the second production wasn't going to be filmed like the first one (I liked the talking heads thing a Lot. Really.) and it was going to be instead a ST war movie I was already posting I wasn't going to be interested in seeing anyway it even if I had been donating to it.

(And war shows are just soooo Mr. Roddenberry's vision for Trek. That's why TOS was so chock full of war. The Romulan War. The Klingon war. Wait... nope. None of this was in TOS. Nor were wars in TNG during his tenure there because he did not want Star Trek to be about war. Oh, but he just luvvved how TWOK was true to his vision of Trek. ........ Not)
 
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ThankYouGeneR said:
There IS!!! Well, sort of. A website run by Carlos who posts here has been doing massive collection and sorting out in readable order of all the data on this litigation. It's called AxaMonitor. Here's the link AxaMonitor Home Page. But the Quick Start there 'might' be a place to begin. Also jespah who posts here has been doing a great job for us of interpreting into layman's terms all those tons of legal documents that keep being filed. Page by page even. She's at website G&T Show

Both of them post updates here in this thread when they put up new information. AxaMonitor is a dedicated site so everything there pertains to this litigation. G&T is a much broader site in topics covered. I 'believe' that most? of the production related information there is on the Fan Dance link. Correct this if I'm wrong, jespah.
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I recently organized information at AxaMonitor into a series of primers, each an easy to browse overview of the various aspects of the case:
  • Lawsuit
  • Copyright
  • About Axanar
  • Crowdfunding
  • Fan films
  • Analysis
 
ThankYouGeneR said:
There IS!!! Well, sort of. A website run by Carlos who posts here has been doing massive collection and sorting out in readable order of all the data on this litigation. It's called AxaMonitor. Here's the link AxaMonitor Home Page. But the Quick Start there 'might' be a place to begin. Also jespah who posts here has been doing a great job for us of interpreting into layman's terms all those tons of legal documents that keep being filed. Page by page even. She's at website G&T Show

Both of them post updates here in this thread when they put up new information. AxaMonitor is a dedicated site so everything there pertains to this litigation. G&T is a much broader site in topics covered. I 'believe' that most? of the production related information there is on the Fan Dance link. Correct this if I'm wrong, jespah.
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Yep - I blog about the legal chazerai under the Fan Dance section. I believe it's all tagged as either law or legal (probably both) so you can get to it via tag.

Slowly plodding through.

Don't forget to click on the Easter eggs. This one is kinda dull so it might be a bit Easter egg-heavy.
 
Csalem said:
Comicbook.com have a post on the case where it reads like Paramount/CBS lodged papers to dismiss what JJ and Justin Lin said:
http://comicbook.com/2016/10/01/paramount-cbs-still-pursuing-lawsuit-over-fan-made-star-trek-fil/
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Like the Klingon language copyright, I think the media coverage is focusing on the Big Names Involved (i.e., Abrams and Lin) because they attract eyeballs, even though I expect the Abrams-Lin connection is likely mere sound and fury, signifying nothing.
 
Interesting article from the Hollywood reporter (Link)

Title: 'Star Trek' Lawsuit Heats Up As Fan Co. [Axanar] Seeks Paramount's J.J. Abrams, Justin Lin Communications.

"The discovery dispute highlights how Abrams' comments could put him and Lin in an uncomfortable position as this litigation moves forward. Characterizing the two as Star Trek "ambassadors" in letters to opposing counsel, Axanar's legal team at Winston & Strawn is trying to rebut the charge of "willful infringement" with the point that Axanar's filmmakers had a reasonable basis for believing that their fan-funded film would be fine by the studios. Paramount and CBS hardly think Abrams and Lin are their copyright agents, but as two with much familiarity with the Star Trek universe, they could at some point be asked to testify in the lawsuit. If that happens, their loyalties would be tested."

Does this mean that J.J. Abrams and Justin Lin won't get to do the next Star Trek movie? :rommie:
 
urbandefault said:
I don't think anyone expects them to lie for AP, especially under oath. Except maybe AP himself. :lol:
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If W&S really attempt to persue this ridiculous Justin Lin/JJ Abrams 'there must be documentation on their conversations with Paramount Execs..." maybe L&L should/would respond with "We demand W&S turn over all the footage (edited and unedited) from EVERY Axanar and Alec Peters' conducted Podcasts and self interviews to date...":barf::lol:
 
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L & L should then demand someone else watch.

PS Up to page 14 (it's slow going). There will be a cookie recipe hidden in the post. And a few bits of music and the like because, heh, I'll admit I'm kinda bored by this one.
 
jespah said:
L & L should then demand someone else watch.

PS Up to page 14 (it's slow going). There will be a cookie recipe hidden in the post. And a few bits of music and the like because, heh, I'll admit I'm kinda bored by this one.
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Like @carlosp, you are doing the Great Bird's work. I tried reading the court filing last night and my eyes glazed over around page 10 or so.
 
mos6507 said:
Not all of them [cough]Continues[/cough].
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I'm seeing this kind of thing a lot since the last Continues episode hit, but isn't the truth that the guidelines were never meant to apply to any productions already nearing completion, which would cover that episode?

Certainly I imagine it's likely Continues will release subsequent episodes that may breach the guidelines, but at that point it's up to CBS to figure out if they want to do anything about it.
 
Reilly said:
I'm seeing this kind of thing a lot since the last Continues episode hit, but isn't the truth that the guidelines were never meant to apply to any productions already nearing completion, which would cover that episode?.
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Yes. "Embracing the Winds" was already in the can nearing production when the guidelines hit, so it wouldn't have to fall under them.

Reilly said:
Certainly I imagine it's likely Continues will release subsequent episodes that may breach the guidelines, but at that point it's up to CBS to figure out if they want to do anything about it.
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Exactly. As John Van Citters pointed out on the Engage podcast, these are guidelines not rules. A production can ignore them if they want. However, they do so at their own risk.
 
Given the relationship they appear to have with CBS, if anyone can get away with ignoring the guidelines it's Continues.
Professor Zoom said:
Unless the material is used at trial, the information is to remain confidential as a part of discovery. So, it's not like--in theory--the information would be released to the public.
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Oh, I knew that stuff wouldn't go public, I was just curious if the people who the information is about what have any say in what happens to it. And if the people involved in the case, like Peters and RMB would see it, because I wouldn't put it past them to compare what they are/were paying people vs what CBS/P pay/paid people on the blogs and stuff.
 
keel said:
With the way Paramount is cracking down on amateur fan productions, they've lost me from continuing to be a Star Trek fan. Their new movies tend to be so unbelievable, so juvenile, so teen-ager directed, that I don't care for them at all. That Paramount wants to crush fan-based productions, shows that they have no understanding of the fan base and what made Star Trek a success. If I were an exec at Paramount, I would embrace the fan productions and financially back them to some extent or support them in other ways. It's all about greed.
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φ of π said:
Maybe there could be a separate FAQ thread with all the relevant details for people (like me) who don't know the first thing about this lawsuit, who Axanar are, or other details that make reading almost 25'000 posts out of the question.
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Please do read Axamonitor. The diet anywhere near the Axanar site is SugarPuffs in Powdered Sugar milk. It has none of the actual healthful-for-sound-minds facts about the Axanar conduct, it just has spun sugar misdirections about some ideal world and ideal intentions. You'll go sugar-high crazy only living off their menu, while your wallet is lifted to pay for Axanar's non-Trek goals. And the cockaroaches that poke their heads out of the box are worth noticing, too.
 
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The studio-cum-warehouse-cum studio again is looking to make No Dog in This Fight's movie project. Source: http://www.axanarproductions.com/captains-log-sep-27th-2016/

I did take off midday to meet with David Gerrold about a movie project of his we are working with him on. I introduced him to a producer we like and discussed getting David’s movie made at a price we can raise money for! Stay tuned for more details on that.
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