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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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RedForman said:
TampAxanar's latest tweet references a 2014 blog post (that apparently found it's way onto a zombie site?) from Don Hillenbrand. It's probably old news to most people around here, but makes for 'interesting' reading.

(Actual Post - might be useful in convincing his pathetic sycophants of the kind of dear leader they're following)
wrathofdhanprops.blogspot.com/2014/07/axanar-star-alec-peters-threatens-to.html
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""I am a winner who makes my life and those around me better. You sit at home masturbating to pics of little boys."

Holy shit.

Is this Hillenbrand gentleman a reliable source because if he is and the quote is legitimate then my dislike for Mr Peters now goes beyond ripping off a few thousand Star Trek fans. If true, then this shows a new level of depravity and lack of decency that I hadn't seen attributed to him before.

In my opinion only, comments like that invite violence and justifiably so.

Sorry.
 
OtherGene said:
""I am a winner who makes my life and those around me better. You sit at home masturbating to pics of little boys."

Holy shit.

Is this Hillenbrand gentleman a reliable source because if he is and the quote is legitimate then my dislike for Mr Peters now goes beyond ripping off a few thousand Star Trek fans. If true, then this shows a new level of depravity and lack of decency that I hadn't seen attributed to him before.

In my opinion only, comments like that invite violence and justifiably so.

Sorry.
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From Pg. 634
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/cbs-paramount-sues-to-stop-axanar.278077/page-634


Lynsioux said:
I've known Don and Alec for years. I was admin on Alec's Star Trek Props board and witnessed some of the incidents mentioned. Don is truthful in every detail. You can believe his blog posts.
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OtherGene said:
""I am a winner who makes my life and those around me better."
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The insecurity complex this dude has is astronomical. I can't comment on the veracity of the claim Hillenbrand makes, but given Peters' erratic and volatile behavior toward anyone or anything who crosses him, it doesn't seem too farfetched to believe.

Someone ought to just go ahead and send this to Peters:

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mkstewartesq said:
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In short, the offer is to not object or take legal action if the production accepts the offer by complying with all of the guidelines. Though the vagueness of some of the guidelines leave a lot of room for interpretation as to whether the production met them (and validly accepted the offer), general principles of how a court must construe a contract provide that any vague guidelines would be construed narrowly against CBS as CBS was the party who drafted them.

So, in short, a fan production that could demonstrate to a court that they complied with all guidelines (as construed narrowly against CBS) would have grounds to legally enforce CBS' promise to "not object to, or take legal action against" them.

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This is what I was getting at a few pages ago, that the studios may have made some sort of legally enforceable commitment similar in pattern to a warranty by saying to the public they "will not sue" under certain conditions. Opinion a few pages ago was the guidelines cannot possibly be considered binding since they are not between two named entities.

Sgt_G said:
Did they ask Alec Peters to not wear his light-blue polo shirt??
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I'm sure they didn't want to make him feel unwelcome or anything :rofl:

RedForman said:
Oh and apparently LFIM (or perhaps Mike Bawden) has taken to buying dummy tweets too........

https://twitter.com/AxaMonitor/status/762715265087832064
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Old donors might quit over this. Maybe they just want new donors.
 
muCephi said:
This is what I was getting at a few pages ago, that the studios may have made some sort of legally enforceable commitment similar in pattern to a warranty by saying to the public they "will not sue" under certain conditions. Opinion a few pages ago was the guidelines cannot possibly be considered binding since they are not between two named entities.
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The truth is that it's difficult to say if the guidelines are binding unless and until there's a lawsuit addressing the issue directly. There's certainly a plausible case that they are. But until a judge actually takes a look at it, we're all just speculating.
 
After the stunt Richard Hatch & Alec Peters pulled at Denver Comic-Con hijacking the BSG panel into a bait and switch promotion of Axanar, I'm delighted steps have been taken at STLV to cut off LFIM's interference at what should be a fun enjoyable ST themed experience.

The continuous narrative LFIM spews about how CBS/P is out to ruin fan films, he's the innocent victim fighting the good fight against corporate tyranny and therefor the personal savior of all things ST is the sort of ridiculous tripe only a dullard would believe.

A "fan film" doesn't need a Hollywood guild level studio with salaried professionals manning every position. It doesn't need unlicensed merchandise and merchandising tie-ins. It shouldn't be a full time salaried job drawing funds from donor money. It doesn't need an egotistical drongo putting down other fan films and fans. It shouldn't be a bait and switch con job to set up business corporations for a media conglomerate.

LFIM & Co. can't even figure out how to mail patches to donors from 2014 & 2015.

In the words of Wil Wheaton, what a bunch of douchecanoes.
 
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oswriter said:
The truth is that it's difficult to say if the guidelines are binding unless and until there's a lawsuit addressing the issue directly. There's certainly a plausible case that they are. But until a judge actually takes a look at it, we're all just speculating.
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Agreed. I am leaning towards C/P being bound. I read they said at STLV that the guidelines provide a permanent official place in the activities for screening of and discussion of fan films. But nothing is baked till its out of the oven.
 
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oswriter said:
The truth is that it's difficult to say if the guidelines are binding unless and until there's a lawsuit addressing the issue directly. There's certainly a plausible case that they are. But until a judge actually takes a look at it, we're all just speculating.
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Well, of course, any legal conclusion is, at the end of the day, speculating until a judge rules on it :-)

But to get to @muCephi and his point - no, the fact that the purported agreement is not between two named parties is pretty much irrelevant. It's entirely permissible – and done every day – that someone makes an offer that can be accepted on stated terms, and the offer is open to the public. Doing whatever action is required by the terms of the offer constitutes acceptance of the contract.

If we want to put it in very basic terms, look at a sales flier for a big box retailer. They make an offer to sell you something for a certain price. The fact is that if you go in and tender your money, you have accepted their offer and they are bound to sell you the item at that price. This is specifically why you see disclaimers such as "while supplies last", meaning that the offer can no longer be accepted once the supply of goods runs out - otherwise, the retailer could be liable for breach of contract if you accept their offer and they are unable to perform because 1000 people ahead of you already did the exact same thing.

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Red Shirt said:
After the stunt Richard Hatch & Alec Peters pulled at Denver Comic-Con hijacking the BSG panel into a bait and switch promotion of Axanar, I'm delighted steps have been taken at STLV to cut off LFIM's interference at what should be a fun enjoyable ST themed experience.

In the words of Wil Wheaton, what a bunch of douchecanoes.
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The hijacking of the Galactica panel was at San Diego Comic-Con a couple weeks ago. Denver was where they premiered their "trailer," now long-since taken down following criticism from even Axanar's own fans.
 
Axanar director Robert Meyer Burnett said a month ago that, "by any metric, 'Prelude to Axanar' is still the most successful Trek fan film." That likely changes in a month when 'Star Trek-Horizon''s viewership overtakes Prelude's. This may explain the flurry of dummy tweets replicated across Twitter last night urging readers to watch Prelude. Here's our story »

 
Does this fiasco ever bottom out?

What next? "Police raid of Alec Peter's home. Numerous dead bodies believed to be his detractors found in the walls."

I just keep going back to The Trekzone interview. It's amazing how quickly Peters turns. Even thinking about it from a guilty parties perspective, what the Hell is he thinking? It doesn't make him look any better to fly off the handle the way he does. How about trying some diplomacy??

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Karen O'Shea said:
FYI, Terry posted this in the CBS/P vs. Axanar FB group re: Mike Bawden the Axanar PR guy.

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Yep, and I'll bet that's the main thing that has kept Alec Peters from agreeing to ANY C/P settlement offer as I'm sure C/P WANTS to be sure Alec peters isn't seen 'profiting' from illegal use of the Star Trek IP to use fan crowd funding to get himself start up funds for his 'for profit studio'. At this point Alec Peters could care less about actually ever finishing Axanar; and is just using Prelude to Axanar at this point to keep the cash donations rolling in from the folks who either are still too deluded to believe what's actually going on; or to draw in more people who hear his side, and pledge/donate BEFORE looking into the entirety of the situation.
 
Karen O'Shea said:
FYI, Terry posted this in the CBS/P vs. Axanar FB group re: Mike Bawden the Axanar PR guy.

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So did the "investors" actually include those promised a cut in exchange for services or assets? Did they get their cut by buying the facilities at a discount? Did that discounted value (if any) arise from the value contributed by Axanar's volunteer labor and the lack of financing costs of donations? Is it then, in effect, successfully paying even more salaries by a deferred (and perhaps tax-invisible) compensation mechanism that converts the cash value of fan labor and cash-investment value of fan money into future profits for the "investors"?

What are the internals of the "sale" of this asset? I wonder if the studios will bring it to light. It might significantly widen the scope of persons who are benefiting financially from Axanar / studio IP. Even if those persons can't be named as Does at this point, Axanar could be shown to be facilitating financial benefit on a larger scale than just their own staff salaries/perks and cration of an asset owned by Alec. If it should happen that "shares in the studio" was a plan on the books for a long time, that would be fuel on the fire.
 
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