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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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muCephi said:
I'm sorry, I personally don't believe this is entirely innocent overreach, or ego. No honest person making a Trek fan film would:

- assert that 'dont make money off it' has the asterick "after you spent all the money on material assets and salaries accruing to your for profit company"
- suggest writers violate their contracts with the same franchise in order to serve your company
- treat donor (I mean wtf, *donor*) questions with personal public contempt and banning for basic legit questions, and atop that, refuse all refunds on an irrelevant pretext
- with encyclopedic knowledge of the franchise, legally assert that story concepts like Vulcans don't actually exist
- with deep knowledge of licensing, write up documents whereby others license Trek IP from you (your game with Trek ship pieces) while you have not got the licenses yourself, not to mention permission to sublicense.
- tell a vendor (the game piece maker) they don't have to worry about licensing because your "donor store" sales process is not subject to licensing


Every single one of these items is a concrete choice crossing a big bridge, and is not arrived at by mission creep while acting in good faith every step of the way.

No amount of earnestly declaiming how your pure heart dreamed up and motivated you to form a fan film has anything at all to do with the fact that at some point you decided to start crossing the bridge. Nor does it have anything to do with the fact that others raise their hands and start talking about how you have also crossed that bridge in the past, and even more, are destroying the opportunities now for everyone else.
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Philip Guyott said:
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Thanks for the link. Now here's a quote from that link that puzzled me:
" It was stunning how many fans came up to us and told us how much they loved axanar."

Okay, it's not just my 'understanding' that there's nothing with that name, there factually 'is nothing' with that name to even see. Lots of people are loving it? What?

nobody *I* know refers to Prelude To by just that name. I'm pretty sure I haven't seen anyone who is a supporter donor media or non-supporter calling Prelude To by just that name. But what else could the stunning number of people be referring to other than Prelude?

I stipulate the how many people came up and told them. I stipulate them giving the defendant love for whateverthehecktheylovethathedefendantisdoing. I challenge the numbers were high enough to be' stunning'. But these people are loving something that doesn't exist? The production company or something? Is this merely a fabrication, this stating all these people were saying they are loving something that doesn't exist?

This is not making sense to me.
 
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ThankYouGeneR said:
Thanks for the link. Now here's a quote from that link that puzzled me:
" It was stunning how many fans came up to us and told us how much they loved Axanar."
It's not just my 'understanding' that there's nothing with that name, there factually is nothing with that name to even see. Lots of people are loving it? What?

nobody *I* know refers to Prelude To by just that name. I'm pretty sure I haven't seen anyone who is a supporter donor media or non-supporter calling Prelude To by just that name. But what else could the stunning number of people be referring to other than Prelude?

I stipulate the how many people came up and told them. I stipulate them giving the defendant love for whateverthehecktheylovethathedefendantisdoing. I challenge the numbers were high enough to be' stunning'. But these people are loving something that doesn't exist? The production company or something? Is this merely a fabrication, this stating all these people were saying they are loving something that doesn't exist?

This is not making sense to me.
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Don't give yourself a headache. You're absolutely right. The only thing people could be talking about is Prelude to or one of the other teasers, because there is no movie to talk about. The quote is designed to make the uneducated think otherwise. Axanar is everything with the word Axanar attached to it, including the websites, the donor "gifts", everything. So the quote is meant to claim that support for the very concept of Axanar is staggering, and the lack of an actual movie is only a speedbump on the road to Axanar's cult status. "Everybody loves Axanar! Everybody supports Axanar! Everybody wants Axanar made! Damn you CBS and Paramount for getting in the people's way!" It's old fashioned propaganda.
 
Okay, yeah. ^^^^ That makes sense to me. Is the phrase I would be looking for be: 'Everything now has been conflated under one blanket designation'. Am I saying that correctly?
 
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EDIT: I quoted the wrong post, and I'm not sure how to edit in the right one.
This is in response to Axanar's Facebook post about New Voyages.
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Everybody is always focusing on the "professional" thing, but that really is only a small fraction of what lead to the lawsuit. Even if NV did try to get that one categorized as a "professional" production for the Nebulas, I've still never seen them say that they weren't a fan series, or that they were going to be better than the shows and movies, or that they were "real Star Trek" and the stuff CBS/Paramount were are making isn't, or set up a professional studio, or sell merchandise..... or... or... or... I think I made my point.
I really think this whole thing about them being so good that they scared CBS/P into suing them is just another example of Peter's out of control ego.
 
ThankYouGeneR said:
Thanks for the link. Now here's a quote from that link that puzzled me:
" It was stunning how many fans came up to us and told us how much they loved axanar."
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JD said:
I really think this whole thing about them being so good that they scared CBS/P into suing them is just another example of Peter's out of control ego.
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urbandefault said:
I thought I was past being surprised at the little bubble the Axahats and Minionettes live in, but after reading some of that Facebook page I am surprised once again. I just hope it's a shrinking bubble, like Beverly's static warp thingy.
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They are up to the plot point where they are saying "If there's nothing wrong with me... maybe there's something wrong with the universe." They just have to figure out what caused the bubble, CBS/P, or an IP-cash-mining fan film.
 
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Karzak said:
Well, Alec's PR stooge had my copy of that shit trailer removed from Facebook.

The intellectual cowardice of these morons just boggles the mind. :lol:
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can you ask for details of the copyright claim made to Facebook (who made it, exactly what they were claiming, when they made it and with respect to what content), i.e. get their action documentable in court, and then submit that to L&L? Granted, it might make you a callable witness at the trial. But hey, maybe you want a seat there. Seek legal counsel first.
 
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