That's NOT what he said at all, and I'm sure you know it. If not, re-read every post above carefully and find your mistake.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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I think the point of having Abrams announce it is because it sounds more exciting coming from him of all people to Trek fans, rather than some bloke from legal department.
But unless and until it comes from an official source, it's basically just gossip.
And we still wait for confirmation.
No way. If you believe CBS allowed or even encouraged that to happen, you have no idea how media relations work.
I respectfully disagree with your assumptive character generalizations of why I (or anyone else) would post on this thread. Being "neutral" isn't judgemental blanket condescension. You might want to look up neutral in a dictionary after getting off of your high horse.This has gone much further than "a discussion". The daily, hell hourly, obsession that some have turned this into over nearly five months is not "a discussion". It has become a daily dissecting of literally anything remotely connected with Axanar.
I am not trying to shame anybody into silence. Frankly, the time some people have invested in this (and I didn't specifically refer to this thread as being the man source of debate btw) is way beyond anything I could ever commit to it. If you want to discuss it, be my guest. I'm not stopping you. I'm just posting my opinion about something I have observed for a while. We are all free to do that.
I really don't like Peters, as my posts make clear. I am a neutral and whatever you might want to say about me, one thing you can't is that right now I have any interest in siding with either Axanar or those gunning for him. I am quite removed from fandom as a whole (this forum being my closest contact by far) and I am simply saying it how I have seen it. Peters acting like a desteable douchbag doesn't mean that the behaviour of some on the other side has been perfect. Sorry that it's inconvenient for someone to have such an opinion. If you have a loyalty then I can see why you might not like what I have said. I'm clearly not the only one to think it though, and maybe it's time to ask why some neutrals might think that way, instead of circling on them like pack hounds?
Don't worry though, you'll not have to read many posts from me on this going forward as I think I've said most, if not all, I want to say about Axanar. I'll leave you to your "discussion" and bow about before the inevitably hounding and bullying begins.
I have to believe, otherwise this is a pretty bold move on Abrams part and I don't assume he's that much of a fool.
And really, I think many of us do need a drink. Jeez.
And really, I think many of us do need a drink. Jeez.
Have you watched his movies???
This has gone much further than "a discussion". The daily, hell hourly, obsession that some have turned this into over nearly five months is not "a discussion". It has become a daily dissecting of literally anything remotely connected with Axanar.
I am not trying to shame anybody into silence. Frankly, the time some people have invested in this (and I didn't specifically refer to this thread as being the man source of debate btw) is way beyond anything I could ever commit to it. If you want to discuss it, be my guest. I'm not stopping you. I'm just posting my opinion about something I have observed for a while. We are all free to do that.
I really don't like Peters, as my posts make clear. I am a neutral and whatever you might want to say about me, one thing you can't is that right now I have any interest in siding with either Axanar or those gunning for him. I am quite removed from fandom as a whole (this forum being my closest contact by far) and I am simply saying it how I have seen it. Peters acting like a desteable douchbag doesn't mean that the behaviour of some on the other side has been perfect. Sorry that it's inconvenient for someone to have such an opinion. If you have a loyalty then I can see why you might not like what I have said. I'm clearly not the only one to think it though, and maybe it's time to ask why some neutrals might think that way, instead of circling on them like pack hounds?
Don't worry though, you'll not have to read many posts from me on this going forward as I think I've said most, if not all, I want to say about Axanar. I'll leave you to your "discussion" and bow about before the inevitably hounding and bullying begins.
Well, having an opinion that both sides exhibit conduct which you dislike and somehow are thus comparably wrong, and asserting that any response to this characterization will inevitably be hounding and bullying is a real straw man.
The judge made it clear in refusing the Motion to Dismiss that the studios had a triable and not frivolous complaint of copyright infringement against Axanar Productions and Mr. Peters.
Axanar Productions is accused of having violated copyright not just in the content of the film, but selling Trek IP-based merchandise without a license (models and coffee, at the least), and employing people in ordinary studio professional roles to make Trek without a license to make a professional production.
We also know from public statements of those involved that they suggested to a licensed Trek author that the author violate their studio agreement by writing for Axanar under a pen name. We know from Axanar podcasts that they made a license agreement for third parties (a game company) to resell Trek IP based objects (game pieces) without a license from the studios. Documentation was also found that the game maker says they were told that they didn't have to worry about violating any IP because they were a vendor to an operation (Axanar) which was only going to distribute the product in return for "donations", which together with the author issue exhibits a potential pattern of copyright violation.
We know from Axanar's financial statements that they built a studio facility with fan money with the intent to use that facility for their private business in the future, in spite of clear guidance from CBS to not make money in the course of making a fan film.
We know that the beloved donors of Axanar who are decreed to be the only people who have any right to speak or ask questions about the subject have consistently been, even upon the most innocent challenge put to Axanar, verbally abused, shunned, banned from access to the other donors, and even denied refunds, by the Principals of Axanar themselves.
We know that no matter how much money was donated, it was never enough to just go ahead and make the film, but rather, it was seen as opportunity to siphon off money into private assets and reset the budgetary goals even higher.
IN CONTRAST, what have the "haters" done?
What?
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Precisely.
That's a completely different matter, unless you're just joking...Have you watched his movies???
If possible. Quarks. I think a game of darts would do many of us good.
Oh shoot! I have an... appointment at a holosuite first, so you guys enjoy darts in the meantime. 
By the same token, though, couldn't Abrams' announcement have been part of a deliberate charm offensive? The stench of Peters' desire to get some of that Great Bird reflected glory is so powerful I can smell it wafting out of my speakers; a surprise public announcement like this, where he's being embraced by TPTB like he's done something special, might have been calculated to soften him up for a settlement that may not be all that favorable to him.
I was posting about Axanar before the lawsuit started. So were quiet a few other people here. We came to this thread because we were already interested in the subject matter, and this bruhaha is just the latest chapter.
As Axanar itself isn't over (and the lawsuit isn't yet,) why would we need any sort of nefarious motive to keep discussing it? That's like trying to argue that the Tv and movie sections of this board should have been wrapped up, since it looked like on-screen Trek was finished for good.
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