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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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From the dark ages of 1976. the year I was born. Tom Synder interviews that cast of Star Trek.

38 minute mark: Harlan Ellison calls out Star Trek from being a cop show, right after that one of the early convention organizer calls bullshit on Trek practicing what it preached.

Later day fandom--TNG and onward--has built up this high ideal of what is Trek and what Trek has always been that really doesn't jive with what's on the screen.
 
Harlan Ellison always struck me as kinda a jerk especially in that show. Sometimes Trek was high minded (Taste of Armageddon) and sometimes it was escapist fun (Piece of the Action) and sometimes it was intense science fiction (Immunity Syndrom) and sometimes it was political thriller (Enterprise Incident) but to try and pin it down to only one thing seems a mistake. It wasn't a movie but a weekly TV show with a lot of different people telling different stories. Sometimes some worked better than others.
 
IMO, and YMMV, Trek worked best under TOS and it's lose continuity. It worked more as an anthology, and why I enjoy it more than I tend to do the later-day lore ladened series.
 
In the long run, it doesn't. And Kirk made his orientation obvious ... he doesn't need to prove it with on-screen sex-scenes.
 
Sgt_G said:
I'm not a parent, but if I did have kids, I'd rather know in advance what the content of a TV show / movie / book is before I let them see / read it. Most of the movies are rated PG-13, but there's a ton of kids 5, 6, 7, 8 years old in the theaters. Parents know that there isn't anything in Star Trek (or Star Wars, etc.) they'd rather not put in front of their kids. People see a Star Trek video on the internet, even tho it's not an official CBS/Paramount production, they're going to assume it has the same level of content.
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As an actual parent, I agree. There are some things that my kid isn't ready for and there are some things he is. That's the job of being a parent.

But, I wouldn't put a blanket statement like "Parents know that..." Parents aren't a monolithic block. My kid isn't ready to go see a Star Trek or a Star Wars movie. He's simply to young. It's not just about the content. It's about the experience. The music, the editing, it would overwhelm him at his age. So, sometimes its not just about the content.

But, yeah, Star Trek and Star Wars aren't potentially as a offensive for some parents to put their kids in front of than say Terminator or Deadpool.

I could not care less if there's LGBT characters in the show. I've read several fan-fiction stories that had them, and usually they seem to be artificially inserted just so the author could show off "See how inclusive I am?" Fine. Whatever. Such characters rarely advance the plot; they're just there to be there. But I'd really rather not have graphic demonstrations of what goes on behind closed doors, between ANY two (or more) adults -- male/female or male/male or female/female, splashed across the screen. I mean, really, is that too much to ask? As I said, I stopped reading fan-fic-dot-com because of that. If I wanted to watch / read soft-porn, I wouldn't think I'd find it in the family-friendly sci-fi section.
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Is someone making you see movies with high sexual content or something? I'm not sure I understand this criticism. Are people advocating for explicit sex scenes in Star Trek or Star Wars? No one is making you read or watch those. And some people want more sexual content in their entertainment, is that wrong?

There's always going to be sex free content available. Because of: $$$.

Of course, I would rather my kid see a boob than watch someone's head explode. #ToYoungForDaredevilSeason2
 
bonesmccoy2014 said:
When a parent sees "Star Trek" on a label, they need to know that the content does not have excessive violence, sexual content, or foul language. Otherwise, why expose your kids to the content at all?

The behavior of professional film makers in this thread shows the wisdom of the American Academy of Pediatrics positions on child development. AAP clearly states that screen time limits should be imposed. The development of children is adversely impacted and harmed by content being actively advocated by a "handful" of the "professional film makers" in this discussion.

I do not object to filmmakers expressing themselves. I just object when content is improperly labelled and contains sexually graphic content which is then accessible to children. There should be no debate on this.

On the topic of CBS v. Axanar, the discussion above is relevant because the one or two people who were most vocal about shutting down fan films are in fact individuals who appear to be antagonistic to family friendly entertainment being the hallmark of the Star Trek property.

If this thread is being reviewed by CBS employees, management, or legal; I urge CBS to please hold to family friendly entertainment on All Access. Parents need to know that when the "Star Trek" trademark is on a product, the product is truly consistent with the Tiffany Network's standards.
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If your definition of 'Family-Friendly Entertainment' is as described in your post above please realize that by that definition 'Star Trek' has NEVER been 'Family-Friendly Entertainment' since it premiered in 1966. That's not to say you can't watch it with your family or children - but be prepared to answer their questions or even decide certain episodes shouldn't be viewed by them until they're older -- but again, by your definition Star Trek HAS NEVER been 'Family-Friendly Entertainment'.
 
Ah...yes the "ignore" feature. Great tool for starving trolls. I have no interest in pursuing circular arguments with someone using passive/aggressive techniques to push an incoherent anti-gay agenda. It would be surprising that someone claiming to be intelligent to be a doctor can be an absolute idiot on other matters, except that Ben Carson showed the world how entirely possible that is. See ya BM, go back to whatever refuge you came from where everyone worships Lord Garth and doesn't see how inconsistent and contradictory his statements about everything involving Axanar have been.
 
Sgt_G said:
In the long run, it doesn't. And Kirk made his orientation obvious ... he doesn't need to prove it with on-screen sex-scenes.
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Not sure anyone here has said that there needs to be on-the-screen sex scenes?
 
SeerSGB said:
From the dark ages of 1976. the year I was born. Tom Synder interviews that cast of Star Trek.

38 minute mark: Harlan Ellison calls out Star Trek from being a cop show, right after that one of the early convention organizer calls bullshit on Trek practicing what it preached.

Later day fandom--TNG and onward--has built up this high ideal of what is Trek and what Trek has always been that really doesn't jive with what's on the screen.
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Hollywood has had a pretty limited ability to operate within SF, mainly confined to militarism. Its a pretty exploitative take.

SeerSGB said:
Whole debate makes me wish they'd genderswap Kirk or Spock or both just to see the shitstorm from that fandom :lol:
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Turnabout Intruder?
 
Ok, to get back on topic, a question about the law.

If somehow Axanar and Peters got a judgement that favoured them, and CBS/Paramount then put in the expected appeal, I assume that a new judge would have to be assigned? Is that correct?
 
SeerSGB said:
Whole debate makes me wish they'd genderswap Kirk or Spock or both just to see the shitstorm from that fandom :lol:
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The Internet is at least 20 years old. A genderswapped Kirk and Spock are at least that old as well, because there are a lot of cross-fandoms out there, plus 4chan and 2ch. The only thing that hasn't happened is any official genderswapping.
 
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