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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Noname Given said:
I guess you never attended one of Gene Roddenberry's college campus Star Trek Blooper Reel shows (where he brought and showed the 16mm Star Trek Blooper reels made for cast wrap parties) in the late 1970ies - early 1980ies where they charged between $5 - $20 a head- to cover GR's 'appearance fee'), did you? ;)

(I did, on two separate occasions as that was when I was IN college.)
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no, missed that, did see him on tour in about 1978, carrying his projector to show a 16mm of The Cage, and talking about Wagon Train to the Stars.

I don't think I have any delusions about the sausage factory behind the screen. I just think these Axanar leaders have gone beyond saying they are making Trek product, to saying they personally are the only true to the faith standard holders for the "soul" of Trek.
 
Squiggy said:
What I love is how they answer the question - it was a shit answer but an answer none the less.

Then deleted it all.

Brilliant use of social media, guys.
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Slam the critics in front of whoever is reading, then delete the whole record before anyone can say "now hold on..." or more people see the challenging argument. Quite intentional. Rationalization: the discussion is not the property of the community. It is the property of Axanar Productions. Therefore free speech 'within limits of decency'
does not apply, and AP may freely modify the content as they see fit.
 
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Noname Given said:
I guess you never attended one of Gene Roddenberry's college campus Star Trek Blooper Reel shows (where he brought and showed the 16mm Star Trek Blooper reels made for cast wrap parties) in the late 1970ies - early 1980ies where they charged between $5 - $20 a head- to cover GR's 'appearance fee'), did you? ;)

(I did, on two separate occasions as that was when I was IN college.)
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Yes, but Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek.
 
RedForman said:
......smacks of some desperate/overly-paranoid butt-covering on the part of the Axanar folks (who probably don't want the questioners to turn the heat up hotter than it already is)
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Same thing they have been doing since day one of the lawsuit.......it is just now that some lemmings are starting to notice.......since the rest of us were banned long ago by Fat Terry.
 
muCephi said:
Slam the critics in front of whoever is reading, then delete the whole record before anyone can say "now hold on..." or more people see the challenging argument. Quite intentional. Rationalization: the discussion is not the property of the community. It is the property of Axanar Productions. Therefore free speech 'within limits of decency'
does not apply, and AP may freely modify the content as they see fit.
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Oh, that I don't argue. They're legally free to do whatever they want. Spin control and what not.

But you can't say you're the most open and transparent thing ever when you're replying to a donor who's had her questions deleted because it's dissenting and causing drama.
 
#1RealTrekFan said:
Are "these kinds of crowdfunding movies" all Star Trek? I donated to Star Command and look at how that has turned out. Plus Marc Zicree wrote right after about the Axanar law suit how CBS should basically do what David Gerrold has in mind. So I'm done donating to anybody. I wish I could ask for my money back because it was $100 and that Space Command sucks donkey breath. So very amateur that has turned out to be and looking like.
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I googled Space Command and found their Kickstarter page. It looks like a show that would've been made in the mid-90s.

I could see it as a web series; I can't see a network (broadcast or cable) picking this up.
 
muCephi said:
Where in the "soul" of Star Trek did any principals try to scam those around them? It was isolated into particular outsiders from that "soul". This claim of ideological authenticity is what I find not just dismaying, but insulting.
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That little time when Gene Roddenberry went behind Alexander Courage's back and wrote some godawful lyrics for the main theme of Star Trek that were never ever intended to be used, so that he could collect royalties on the music.

controlfreak said:
Yes, but Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek.
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It doesn't matter who created it. Whoever held the rights to Trek at the time probably would have been well within their purview to shut down Roddenberry's independent showings of Trek-related stuff (and venues charging admission) if it struck their fancy to do so.

Kor
 
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That entire thread really is a train wreck, and they have two options.

1. Allow it, proving the "haters" wrong and letting dissent run rampant.
2. Delete it, proving the haters right.

Terry made a comment saying he'd turn the group into a "closed" group, meaning the public wouldn't have access to it. I'm sure he didn't run it up the flagpole as that is an incredibly stupid idea for a production that relies on public donations.

Then again, Terry doesn't think things out that much when he can't control what's going on.
 
Squiggy said:
That entire thread really is a train wreck, and they have two options.

1. Allow it, proving the "haters" wrong and letting dissent run rampant.
2. Delete it, proving the haters right.

Terry made a comment saying he'd turn the group into a "closed" group, meaning the public wouldn't have access to it. I'm sure he didn't run it up the flagpole as that is an incredibly stupid idea for a production that relies on public donations.

Then again, Terry doesn't think things out that much when he can't control what's going on.
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Seeing as how there is very little, if any chance of the production continuing once everything shakes out, I would think donations would be a moot point?
 
CaptGrumpy said:
That wouldn't be someone from the Llama family, would it?
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The llamas have been sacked and replaced with moose.

RedForman said:
Seeing as how there is very little, if any chance of the production continuing once everything shakes out, I would think donations would be a moot point?
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They're not publicly asking for donations, but they're still accepting money via "retroactive donor packages". It's front and center on their website.

Anyway, I'm sure they won't willingly refund any of the donations unless court ordered to do so.
 
Squiggy said:
That entire thread really is a train wreck, and they have two options.

1. Allow it, proving the "haters" wrong and letting dissent run rampant.
2. Delete it, proving the haters right.

Terry made a comment saying he'd turn the group into a "closed" group, meaning the public wouldn't have access to it. I'm sure he didn't run it up the flagpole as that is an incredibly stupid idea for a production that relies on public donations.

Then again, Terry doesn't think things out that much when he can't control what's going on.
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Reading the dissenters makes it damn hard to stay in denial, or just try not to think about the fix they're (Axanar) in at all. It's an occasional blast of reality, and it hurts.

Deleting also smacks of desperation. Makes the hurt go away, I guess.
 
Oh fer cryin' out loud.

Awards are lovely. They are nice, and pretty much everyone likes them. BUT - go over budget enough times and nobody cares about the awards, as the studio goes out of business.
 
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