CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Send in the pawns, if there are enough it might slow them down
I agree all things change, you can seldom get it back for more than a moment, and when you do it is never quite as good as the memory.
Aw, yeah.
For me it was my bunk bed. Our room (my brother and me) had a 13" black and white television, and I could watch TNG when I should have been asleep. The top bunk became Worf's tactical station, while the bottom bunk was the command deck.
What time slot did TNG air for you ?
My copy of 'Class of 1984' credits him as 'Michael Fox.'
True enough. In addition to a couple "Michael Fox" credits early on, I think he even has a "Mike Fox" credit once.
I think there are a fair number of people in The Biz who, like me, use a middle initial:
John C. Reilly
William H. Macy
Samuel L. Jackson
Michael C. Hall
My copy of 'Class of 1984' credits him as 'Michael Fox.'
That's interesting, since he uses a middle initial (not actually his own) because there was another Michael Fox in the Screen Actors Guild.
That's a screen cap of a Facebook post. When you type in a name it offers links to similar names in your friends' Facebook pages that you can use or not. AP just didn't take the time to not use the link (and Doc John uses his middle initial on Facebook).
Going back a bit to the blog post quoted a few pages ago... When in human history has the "All the other kids are doing it" defense ever worked? The first thing that comes out of the Axaturd's (or bloggers who take about 45 seconds to "research" before posting) mouth is "Well look at all these other productions! They are doing it too!" That argument didn't work when you were a kid - Mom didn't let you off when you mentioned that your other friends were putting cherry bombs in the school toilet tooooooo, it didn't work when you grew up - the judge ain't gonna let you off when you mention that lots of other people steal cigs from the corner store, and it won't work here.
The irony of course is, CBS has said you *can* make it again, just don't raid the cookie jar. So what does someone go and do?
You are this board's Comic Sans.
That's an actual insult. You take that back. The King of the Pantless deserves to be treated better.
I don't think that's the point. You have the draw the line somewhere, and it makes the most sense that people can't make ANY money from making their own Trek. Not ten thousand dollars or ten dollar. None.
If CBS were to allow this and let Peters pay himself 38,000...then why not allow Lucas to pay himself $50,000,000 and make an actual big-budget Star Trek that has nothing to do with Paramount?
IOW: If you want to produce something as a tribute and take a loss because you love it so - sure. That's what fan films have always done. If you HAVE to pay talent, then fine. Don't. Pay. Yourself. If it's honestly a labor of love then you should be ok with that.
If you can't afford to do that, then you shouldn't be doing it.
If CBS were to allow this and let Peters pay himself 38,000...then why not allow Lucas to pay himself $50,000,000 and make an actual big-budget Star Trek that has nothing to do with Paramount?
IOW: If you want to produce something as a tribute and take a loss because you love it so - sure. That's what fan films have always done. If you HAVE to pay talent, then fine. Don't. Pay. Yourself. If it's honestly a labor of love then you should be ok with that.
If you can't afford to do that, then you shouldn't be doing it.
how much could it hurt your bank account to assume that one unauthorized source making withdrawals is all it will ever be if you ignore it?
Well said.
I've been a fan since the '70's syndication era. I've seen Star Trek change into different things at different times. The movies with the original cast were far different than the TV show that they came from. Star Trek has changed with the times, and I've embraced all of the changes.
I love Star Trek, not just 1 particular iteration of it.
Yeah, I got the "If John jumped off of a building, you'd probably follow him"
response.
I think CBS/Paramount would be hurt from Alec setting up a physical studio and "store", where he could make ST fan fiction indefinitely, where he could sell unlimited amounts of derivative merch, where he claimed being a Hollywood Executive Producer was his new career and he intended to keep going back to the ST fan trough until it was bled dry.
I don't think that it's a matter of how badly or how much they can be hurt. It has to do with blatent IP theft and a line being crossed. Look at their Indiegogo page. They seek to be an independent professional film. They are building out a studio to use for this and other professional and non-professional projects. They are paying professionals to make this film. Their producer is taking a salary. CBS/Paramount own Star Trek, only they can hire people to make Star Trek.
AP is using the fact that TPTB have turned a blind eye to fan films in the past, and is trying to make bank on something he doesn't own.
And this is why I don't like Axanar. Not because of its quality or because of their passion. But because they are exploiting what has been a very nice gesture by CBS/Paramount over the years by literally spitting in the face of the legal rights holders.
There's a sense of hubris and arrogance on AP's part too. He doesn't like new Trek, but he can do it better.
As stated many times in this thread, he hates JJ's vision of Trek, but it clearly informs AP's visual idiom.
I always respected people who spend so much time and money into producing fanfilms because they love Star Trek so much and just wanted to tell their own Trek stories for fans from fans (nonprofit and as a hobby). I just saw a few of them (two or three I guess). I thought Axanar would be the same way (just more ambiguous). I guess I was wrong.
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