CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[Tim Thomason]

Others might be brought back into the fold with a simple invitation to a focus group type pre-screening of Beyond. Or, in the case of David Gerrold and other past-Trek insiders, to "consult" on the new series.

Why would they want to offer an olive branch to Gerrold? They don't need him. They haven't used him since the very early years of TNG.

Why should they give a fuck?

From what I can see, Gerrold has only been a supporter of the Axanar project. Hanging out on sets and writing a few blog posts.

I could be wrong, but he's already semi-retired from television pursuits, and his main source of creativity, novel writing, should be unaffected by Hollywood drama.

I don't think he's lost or gained any supporters of significance over the last few days.

 

[urbandefault]

Why would they want to offer an olive branch to Gerrold? They don't need him. They haven't used him since the very early years of TNG.

Why should they give a fuck?

I don't think they do. But bringing in some of these people for meetings would stroke the egos and might generate some goodwill.

With who?

Look what Abrams did with James Cawley, giving him a walk-on. That right there put butts in seats, regardless of what Cawley has said since.

What? 30 more butts? Sure, having a meeting with Gerrold doesn't cost anyone anything but time. Unless, of course, Gerrold goes off on a blog post about how the Exec he met with doesn't "know Star Trek." And then it blows up in their faces.

There's no reason. Gerrold doesn't move the needle enough to matter. And why should CBS/Paramount offer an olive branch to Gerrold? He was the one shitting on CBS/Paramount and Abrams.

I think you're taking me way too seriously.

 

[Noname Given]

Others might be brought back into the fold with a simple invitation to a focus group type pre-screening of Beyond. Or, in the case of David Gerrold and other past-Trek insiders, to "consult" on the new series.

Why would they want to offer an olive branch to Gerrold? They don't need him. They haven't used him since the very early years of TNG.

Why should they give a fuck?

From what I can see, Gerrold has only been a supporter of the Axanar project. Hanging out on sets and writing a few blog posts.

I could be wrong, but he's already semi-retired from television pursuits, and his main source of creativity, novel writing, should be unaffected by Hollywood drama.

I don't think he's lost or gained any supporters of significance over the last few days.

from my understanding they've used Gerrold as a technical advisor to some capacity and he' read and provided notes on the script. There's also Mr. Peter's claim that Ares Productions has 'secured rights' to a David Gerrold book series - so yeah, I guess you say he's been a Axanar 'supporter' - but given his comments (liberally posted on the Axanar website); I'd say he's done a bit more than provide 'moral' support.

That's why I too saw it as disingenuous for Mr. Gerrold to claim "I have no dog in this fight..." in one of his first blogs posted regarding the CBS lawsuit against Axanar.

 

[urbandefault]

Why would they want to offer an olive branch to Gerrold? They don't need him. They haven't used him since the very early years of TNG.

Why should they give a fuck?

From what I can see, Gerrold has only been a supporter of the Axanar project. Hanging out on sets and writing a few blog posts.

I could be wrong, but he's already semi-retired from television pursuits, and his main source of creativity, novel writing, should be unaffected by Hollywood drama.

I don't think he's lost or gained any supporters of significance over the last few days.

from my understanding they've used Gerrold as a technical advisor to some capacity and he' read and provided notes on the script. There's also Mr. Peter's claim that Ares Productions has 'secured rights' to a David Gerrold book series - so yeah, I guess you say he's been a Axanar 'supporter' - but given his comments (liberally posted on the Axanar website); I'd say he's done a bit more than provide 'moral' support.

That's why I too saw it as disingenuous for Mr. Gerrold to claim "I have no dog in this fight..." in one of his first blogs posted regarding the CBS lawsuit against Axanar.

So, yeah. Round up the mavericks and get them on board. Get them excited about the new show. Encourage them to post about what they've seen (unofficially, of course).

You can't tell me that this never happens in the big machine that Hollywood PR is.

 

[Red Shirt]

Why would they want to offer an olive branch to Gerrold? They don't need him. They haven't used him since the very early years of TNG.

Why should they give a fuck?

From what I can see, Gerrold has only been a supporter of the Axanar project. Hanging out on sets and writing a few blog posts.

I could be wrong, but he's already semi-retired from television pursuits, and his main source of creativity, novel writing, should be unaffected by Hollywood drama.

I don't think he's lost or gained any supporters of significance over the last few days.

from my understanding they've used Gerrold as a technical advisor to some capacity and he' read and provided notes on the script. There's also Mr. Peter's claim that Ares Productions has 'secured rights' to a David Gerrold book series - so yeah, I guess you say he's been a Axanar 'supporter' - but given his comments (liberally posted on the Axanar website); I'd say he's done a bit more than provide 'moral' support.

That's why I too saw it as disingenuous for Mr. Gerrold to claim "I have no dog in this fight..." in one of his first blogs posted regarding the CBS lawsuit against Axanar.

Exactly. Gerrold is being paid by Axanar Productions (Peters said everyone is being paid) so Gerrold's claims of being a neutral unbiased party are baloney.

 

[Jon1701]

From what I can see, Gerrold has only been a supporter of the Axanar project. Hanging out on sets and writing a few blog posts.

I could be wrong, but he's already semi-retired from television pursuits, and his main source of creativity, novel writing, should be unaffected by Hollywood drama.

I don't think he's lost or gained any supporters of significance over the last few days.

from my understanding they've used Gerrold as a technical advisor to some capacity and he' read and provided notes on the script. There's also Mr. Peter's claim that Ares Productions has 'secured rights' to a David Gerrold book series - so yeah, I guess you say he's been a Axanar 'supporter' - but given his comments (liberally posted on the Axanar website); I'd say he's done a bit more than provide 'moral' support.

That's why I too saw it as disingenuous for Mr. Gerrold to claim "I have no dog in this fight..." in one of his first blogs posted regarding the CBS lawsuit against Axanar.

Exactly. Gerrold is being paid by Axanar Productions (Peters said everyone is being paid) so Gerrold's claims of being a neutral unbiased party are baloney.

You know I found Gerrold unnecessarily snarky during the TNG Blu ray special features. He often seems to take waaaaay more credit for Star Trek than he should.

He's only written one episode (okay, it was a good one) but all the TNG stuff he takes credit for? Any third party verification on that?

Never understood why he is the authority on Star Trek. I'm pretty sure Dennis has more ST screen credits.

 

[Maurice]

Never understood why he is the authority on Star Trek. I'm pretty sure Dennis has more ST screen credits.

I love Dennis, but let's not exaggerate...

David Gerrold's Trek (pro) screen credits

STAR TREK

• The Cloud Minders (1969) ... (story by)
• The Trouble with Tribbles (1967) ... (written by)

STAR TREK THE ANIMATED SERIES

• Bem (1974) ... (written by)
• More Tribbles, More Troubles (1973) ... (written by)

Dennis Bailey's Trek (pro) screen credits

STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION

• First Contact (1991) ... (teleplay - as Dennis Russell Bailey)**
• Tin Man (1990) ... (written by - as Dennis Putman Bailey)

**One of five writers listed under "teleplay".​

 

[Jon1701]

I don't count TAS. I call it a tie.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I don't think they do. But bringing in some of these people for meetings would stroke the egos and might generate some goodwill.

With who?

Look what Abrams did with James Cawley, giving him a walk-on. That right there put butts in seats, regardless of what Cawley has said since.

What? 30 more butts? Sure, having a meeting with Gerrold doesn't cost anyone anything but time. Unless, of course, Gerrold goes off on a blog post about how the Exec he met with doesn't "know Star Trek." And then it blows up in their faces.

There's no reason. Gerrold doesn't move the needle enough to matter. And why should CBS/Paramount offer an olive branch to Gerrold? He was the one shitting on CBS/Paramount and Abrams.

I think you're taking me way too seriously.

It's the Internet. What else am I supposed to do?

 

[Mudd]

I do have a couple of fan film credits.

I've more or less convinced myself, and no one else, that if the company survives and holds onto enough of its assets when forced to abandon this Star Trek ripoff they'll try to pivot to doing a Star Wolf project. It benefits everyone involved, and might even have real potential.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

I do have a couple of fan film credits.

I've more or less convinced myself, and no one else, that if the company survives and holds onto enough of its assets when forced to abandon this Star Trek ripoff they'll try to pivot to doing a Star Wolf project. It benefits everyone involved, and might even have real potential.

That's my sense of this as well. I'm suspecting the same thing more and more each day.

As I said somewhere upthread, this "movie" might be a better fit for the STAR WOLF universe.

But the question is, will they keep these uniform designs:

 

[Karzak]

2 points:

1) Don't let other people control. If you actually want to see a movie multiple times because you like it, that's fine. But seeing a movie multiple times *because* other people are boycotting it is letting those people control you. Don't give them that power over you in the first place.

2) The vast majority(not every single one, as there are always exceptions) of people who are threatening to boycott the movie are more than likely the people who hated the last 2 anyway. And guess what? The last 2 movies did just fine. The same will be true of 'Beyond'.

The boycotters will see it opening weekend so they can bitch and blog about it...........c'mon.....they ain't foolin nobody.

What amazes me is after all the Axanar film crowfund raising,(and again, yes I backed and wanted to see the film, but it would have no effect one way or the other on whether wanted to see 'Star Trek: Beyond' or not because I plan to either way as I enjoyed the previous 2 JJ Abrams films), ALL we have is a 3 minute scene of Ambassador Soval speaking to his aide about the current political situation between Vulcan and the Federation.
^^^
That all these fervent Axanar supporters can from that 3 minutes claim:

- Axanar is what ALL Star Trek fans want to see...

- Axanar is better than any official Star Trek produced by CBS/Paramount in the last decade...

- Axanar will be better then 'Star Trek: Beyond' in every way...

is beyond me. I didn't realize all the fervent Axanar supporters were so clairvoyant based on 3 minutes of actual footage.

 

[Karzak]

Others might be brought back into the fold with a simple invitation to a focus group type pre-screening of Beyond. Or, in the case of David Gerrold and other past-Trek insiders, to "consult" on the new series.

Why would they want to offer an olive branch to Gerrold? They don't need him. They haven't used him since the very early years of TNG.

Why should they give a fuck?

I don't think they do. But bringing in some of these people for meetings would stroke the egos and might generate some goodwill. Look what Abrams did with James Cawley, giving him a walk-on. That right there put butts in seats, regardless of what Cawley has said since.

 

[Tim Thomason]

But the question is, will they keep these uniform designs:

Is that the Captain in the muscle shirt?

 

[Karzak]

Why would they want to offer an olive branch to Gerrold? They don't need him. They haven't used him since the very early years of TNG.

Why should they give a fuck?

From what I can see, Gerrold has only been a supporter of the Axanar project. Hanging out on sets and writing a few blog posts.

I could be wrong, but he's already semi-retired from television pursuits, and his main source of creativity, novel writing, should be unaffected by Hollywood drama.

I don't think he's lost or gained any supporters of significance over the last few days.

from my understanding they've used Gerrold as a technical advisor to some capacity and he' read and provided notes on the script. There's also Mr. Peter's claim that Ares Productions has 'secured rights' to a David Gerrold book series - so yeah, I guess you say he's been a Axanar 'supporter' - but given his comments (liberally posted on the Axanar website); I'd say he's done a bit more than provide 'moral' support.

That's why I too saw it as disingenuous for Mr. Gerrold to claim "I have no dog in this fight..." in one of his first blogs posted regarding the CBS lawsuit against Axanar.

O RLY?

 

[jespah]

But the question is, will they keep these uniform designs:

Is that the Captain in the muscle shirt?

Now I've got that damned YMCA song stuck in my head.

 

[Red Shirt]

But the question is, will they keep these uniform designs:

Is that the Captain in the muscle shirt?

Now I've got that damned YMCA song stuck in my head.

 

[Maurice]

I do have a couple of fan film credits.

I've more or less convinced myself, and no one else, that if the company survives and holds onto enough of its assets when forced to abandon this Star Trek ripoff they'll try to pivot to doing a Star Wolf project. It benefits everyone involved, and might even have real potential.

I have very mixed feelings about this possible endgame. If they basically started from scratch, sure, but I don't think it'd be right for them to be able to get away with using the existing Axanar funds for that. If I were a backer I'd be quite annoyed if they made a different product than the one they sold me on. I'd much rather see Team Axanar refund every unspent penny possible and then have to sell their new production on its own merits rather than profit in any way from their misuse and exploitation of the Star Trek I.P.

Star Wolf Axanar! With the Solid Gold Dancers!

 

[Duncan MacLeod]

How much longer is this exercise in public masturbation going to go on?

The same dozen or so posters have been jacking off with joy over this project failing for over four thousand posts.

Aren't you guys all out of vitriol yet?

Just wondering.

 

[Maurice]

How much longer is this exercise in public masturbation going to go on?

The same dozen or so posters have been jacking off with joy over this project failing for over four thousand posts.

Aren't you guys all out of vitriol yet?

Just wondering.

Well isn't that attempt at being insulting just the cutest thing!