CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Interesting, the STC reference is removed. Peters seems to be the type who likes to leap before looking.
I can't seem to find it. What FB page is it on? Searching for "Star Trek" alone yields far too many pages to sift through. A link would be most helpful.
Yeah. That should be enough to end all discussion right there. Salary isn't a word that should be associated with fan productions at all.
Many times, unfortunately. Much of which is easy enough to go back into the archives of pages and find.
Point 3.
And it's deleted.... I hate it when I lose comments
It is a very complicated area of the law. It was not my area by any means.
I would never handle my own case if I was being sued under it. I'd be a lot more comfortable going here - http://www.martindale.com/intellectual-property/s-California-law-firms-cities.htm
I don't think it's Pay persey... Renegades paid people...
I really think it's the perception that Peters is gaining financially for this project... 38k in salary... A professional film studio paid for using donated monies raised using CBS IP....
Again I know what not for profit means... And that means paying salaries... But the not for profit thing isn't enshrined in law... It's a line in the sand it seems CBS has drawn....
As I said before, it's admirable that the production wants to pay people for their work. As you say, even non-profits pay their employees.
But the questions here are: does a fan production based on an existing IP actually qualify as a true non-profit that can pay employees, including the head of that venture? Does the use of the IP constitute an attempt to profit on it even if the salary is for work on a "not for profit" venture?
And if so, then does that salary qualify as profiting from the existing IP?
I'm not a lawyer. I'm a journalist by training. And those are questions I have about this. Something I'd probably ask an IP/copyright attorney.
And in all the media coverage, I haven't seen one article that interviews a third-party expert — i.e. a copyright/IP attorney — for insight. (Something for my article on the Siegal and Shuster families' claim on Superman's copyright.)
But as I've said, the biggest egregious act is that they used the money from the Kickstarter to build the infrastructure for a potential for-profit studio. Something that both Peters and Burnett acknowledged publicly.
Vic is no stranger to controversy but he's the best of all these figures at curating a public image of being above the fray. I doubt it's reflective of the reality of dealing with the guy, but he knows how to do PR.
Axanad...that's what CBS did. The justice system will ax the other one.
That was us. We like gift cards so that we know where the funds have come from.
I don't know anything about the politics of and between fan productions, but I did a search on these forums last year because I was curious about this Vic fellow from... Star Trek Continues, is it? I found no positive comments here, which read mostly like those against this Alec fellow now - mostly comments about ego and betrayal against the other guy, James Cawley, who seems to have stayed out of the fray. It is illuminating that Alec has caused a bump in the support for Vic. I wonder whether it's just a matter of who is the lightning rod of the day, and the sheep just move from one place to the other. Anyone counting on solidarity to preserve fan efforts won't find it here.
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Either that, or people do (perceived) asshole things and get called out on it when they do, ultimately to be forgiven later. Right now, Alec is doing the asshole thing. Whether or not he'll be redeemed later depends upon what his actions cause towards the future of the fan production community.
Any sort of feud is fueled by both sides, not just one. The Vic vs. James feud would be a good example, but James also has a "thing" with other ex-collaborators, like Patty Wright. All of us are all one step removed but you can't say "you don't have a right to weigh in because you know nothing" and at the same time share a certain amount of info about what took place. You open a Pandora's box when you make public statements. That's why Vic is the master of PR because he doesn't share. Therefore everything negative you hear about him is second-hand, which ultimately makes him look (rightly or wrongly) like he's above the fray and everyone else are manufacturing drama out of thin air.
Well, then maybe show more constructive support of all productions, including Axanar, right or wrong, in anticipation of said redemption so that all fan productions have a better chance of withstanding, rather than encouraging, the CBS point of view that maybe they need to scuttle the whole thing through Axanar.
Sides? That's forgetting those outside the ring. It's a continuum of people forming a circle around a few people, shouting, "Fight! Fight! Fight!"
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What are you talking about? Many of the posters here, myself included, have been concerned about the future of fan films. There has been a lot of support in this thread. I, for example, support CBS' right to go after Axanar for crossing the line. At the same time, I hope CBS is lenient towards the other fan films, and understands they didn't do anything wrong.
Not to steal from Star Wars, but surely there is something good in Axanar and Alec that folks could discuss, rather than pile on, to dissuade CBS from using the fullest extent of the law, and to preserve the Axanar production - with changes - to set the line which should not be crossed and remove the threat to all fan productions.
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